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"Well spathi, I've read about 30% of the 568 pages over the last day and I can tell you that the document does not provide for the UK to Leave the EU in anything other than name."
Sorry, but what did you expect? Were there any facts to base your vote on? And if you've voted for something, and it's not been delivered, doesn't that mean you were lied to? Like you were told..
Sorry, but what did you expect? Were there any facts to base your vote on? And if you've voted for something, and it's not been delivered, doesn't that mean you were lied to? Like you were told..
"Brexiteers know what they don't want, but not what they *do* want -- nor how to achieve it."
I've said time and again what I'd like, Jim. It's easy to achieve (far easier than concocting this shambles must have been). The consequences will be awkward to handle in the short term, particularly given the Euromaniacs penchant for retaining control over anybody they can. But this isn't about the short term. This is about the long term future of this country and its ability to operate as a functioning democracy.
I've said time and again what I'd like, Jim. It's easy to achieve (far easier than concocting this shambles must have been). The consequences will be awkward to handle in the short term, particularly given the Euromaniacs penchant for retaining control over anybody they can. But this isn't about the short term. This is about the long term future of this country and its ability to operate as a functioning democracy.
Brexit is surely dead.
If even the Brexiters don’t want it then what’s the point?
The choices are: deal, no deal or stay. The first looks doomed, the second will not be allowed by parliament either.
If I was a Brexit supporter I’d start campaigning now for a second vote as it’s the only way I can see at the moment either deal or no deal getting anywhere.
Then like turkeys you can all vote for a spring 2019 Christmas ...
If even the Brexiters don’t want it then what’s the point?
The choices are: deal, no deal or stay. The first looks doomed, the second will not be allowed by parliament either.
If I was a Brexit supporter I’d start campaigning now for a second vote as it’s the only way I can see at the moment either deal or no deal getting anywhere.
Then like turkeys you can all vote for a spring 2019 Christmas ...
Ichkeria, what don’t Brexiteers want that would mean forget the whole th8ng?
We don’t want this debacle of a deal that’s for sure but it doesn’t nullify Brexit.
It just proves remainers are incapable of doing the job they were told to do by the electorate.
There is no ‘it can’t be done’ because it can. It might be trickier in reality to do than first appearances but it can be done. If you don’t believe it can you won’t try hard enough or listen to the people telling you how it can be done.
We don’t want this debacle of a deal that’s for sure but it doesn’t nullify Brexit.
It just proves remainers are incapable of doing the job they were told to do by the electorate.
There is no ‘it can’t be done’ because it can. It might be trickier in reality to do than first appearances but it can be done. If you don’t believe it can you won’t try hard enough or listen to the people telling you how it can be done.
1. The poor, work and work.
2. The rich, exploit the poor.
3. The soldier, protects both.
4. The taxpayer, pays for all three.
5.The wanderer, rest for all four.
6. The drunk, drinks for all five.
7. The banker, robs all six.
8. The lawyer, misleads all seven.
9. The doctor, kills all eight.
10. The undertaker, buries all nine.
11. The politician, lives happily on account of all ten.
Anon.
2. The rich, exploit the poor.
3. The soldier, protects both.
4. The taxpayer, pays for all three.
5.The wanderer, rest for all four.
6. The drunk, drinks for all five.
7. The banker, robs all six.
8. The lawyer, misleads all seven.
9. The doctor, kills all eight.
10. The undertaker, buries all nine.
11. The politician, lives happily on account of all ten.
Anon.
//There is no ‘it can’t be done’ because it can//
Exactly, Cassa. It's obvious now that Davies never had a free hand because May was taking advice from the apostles of Project Fear behind his back, that No Deal, despite her rhetoric had been dismissed from the start, thus surrendering the UK's major bargaining advantage.
Exactly, Cassa. It's obvious now that Davies never had a free hand because May was taking advice from the apostles of Project Fear behind his back, that No Deal, despite her rhetoric had been dismissed from the start, thus surrendering the UK's major bargaining advantage.
Under what twisted interpretation can you possibly claim that walking away with no deal was either (a) an option, or (b) an upper hand? It would be woeful for the UK, and everyone who actually has bothered to think about it recognises this.
Nor, as NJ claims, is it "easy" to achieve what he asks. I said it before, but separating the UK from the EU is roughly the equivalent of separating conjoined twins -- and no-one would think to do that with an axe if they wanted the twins to survive the operation.
Still, if it keeps the conspiracy juices flowing, then carry on pretending that it was always easy but for those dratted remainers.
Nor, as NJ claims, is it "easy" to achieve what he asks. I said it before, but separating the UK from the EU is roughly the equivalent of separating conjoined twins -- and no-one would think to do that with an axe if they wanted the twins to survive the operation.
Still, if it keeps the conspiracy juices flowing, then carry on pretending that it was always easy but for those dratted remainers.
"separating the UK from the EU is roughly the equivalent of separating conjoined twins -- and no-one would think to do that with an axe if they wanted the twins to survive the operation."
If that's really so then the EU, in collaboration with May, ought not have forced it instead of looking for what benefits all member nations.
But I think you're over pessimistic. A little turmoil focuses minds, so things will get dragged back to a decent trade situation fairly rapidly as soon as the reality of what those "negotiating" achieved, sinks in.
If that's really so then the EU, in collaboration with May, ought not have forced it instead of looking for what benefits all member nations.
But I think you're over pessimistic. A little turmoil focuses minds, so things will get dragged back to a decent trade situation fairly rapidly as soon as the reality of what those "negotiating" achieved, sinks in.
"well if a lawyer see above thinks there are no consequences to abrogating a treaty
then we are well and truly screwed"
I don't know who the lawyer is you're referring to, Peter. But in any case, nobody is suggesting we abrogate a treaty. We have given the required notice. We can leave on 29th March next year.
Planning to leave with no deal should have been a priority from 24th June 2016. Had that planning taken place the "nightmare" scenario now being spoken of would only have been a funny dream.
then we are well and truly screwed"
I don't know who the lawyer is you're referring to, Peter. But in any case, nobody is suggesting we abrogate a treaty. We have given the required notice. We can leave on 29th March next year.
Planning to leave with no deal should have been a priority from 24th June 2016. Had that planning taken place the "nightmare" scenario now being spoken of would only have been a funny dream.
What don’t the Brexiteers want cassa?
As already explained: Brexit, that’s what (not all Brexiters: there are sensible ones like Andrew Murrison and surprisingly it would seem Liam Fox. For example.)
But that is the reality I’m afraid and it was never going to be any - or much - different. You were lied to by many of the campaigners who continue to this day to spout “Brexit” without offering a clue as to how they could do it much better
As already explained: Brexit, that’s what (not all Brexiters: there are sensible ones like Andrew Murrison and surprisingly it would seem Liam Fox. For example.)
But that is the reality I’m afraid and it was never going to be any - or much - different. You were lied to by many of the campaigners who continue to this day to spout “Brexit” without offering a clue as to how they could do it much better
//Under what twisted interpretation can you possibly claim that walking away with no deal was either (a) an option, or (b) an upper hand? It would be woeful for the UK, and everyone who actually has bothered to think about it recognises this//
So no deal is not a real option then, Jim, just a delusional fancy of people like me who can't think, or can't be bothered to?
It's depressing to see how people who believe in the criminal prosecution of hate speech are willing to dismiss so contemptuously a large percentage of their fellow citizens.
So no deal is not a real option then, Jim, just a delusional fancy of people like me who can't think, or can't be bothered to?
It's depressing to see how people who believe in the criminal prosecution of hate speech are willing to dismiss so contemptuously a large percentage of their fellow citizens.
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