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/// West Ham took action on Tuesday evening, although there is a chance Phillips could earn a reprieve if he expresses remorse and agrees to attend one of Kick It Out’s educational courses about discrimination. The Premier League warned clubs about the DFLA’s growing presence inside stadiums this year. ///
/// West Ham took action on Tuesday evening, although there is a chance Phillips could earn a reprieve if he expresses remorse and agrees to attend one of Kick It Out’s educational courses about discrimination. The Premier League warned clubs about the DFLA’s growing presence inside stadiums this year. ///
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//The demonstration descended into violence when anti-racist protesters attempted to block the DFLA’s route.//
Why don't the so called anti-racist stay away and see if it descends into violence without their input?
And what part of the highlighted aims of the march do the anti-racist object to?
returning jihadists?
Awol migrants?
rape gangs and groomers?
Or veterans treated like traitors?
Why don't the so called anti-racist stay away and see if it descends into violence without their input?
And what part of the highlighted aims of the march do the anti-racist object to?
returning jihadists?
Awol migrants?
rape gangs and groomers?
Or veterans treated like traitors?
AOG - // andy-hughes
/// I believe that neither side should protest in this way ///
You are against protests then, or is it only those protests that don't fit in with your own agenda? //
I am against protests, regardless of the reason, and I have no 'agenda' for anyone to fit in with.
I completely understand the reasons why people hold demonstrations, but I do feel that they lack any real meaningful impact or change on the situation causing the demonstration in the first place.
People could argue that failing to make a position clear means that nothing actually changes, but my long-held view is that there are better and more effective ways of making change happen - especially since in this day and age, most demos create a counter-demo, which then causes friction and violence.
/// I believe that neither side should protest in this way ///
You are against protests then, or is it only those protests that don't fit in with your own agenda? //
I am against protests, regardless of the reason, and I have no 'agenda' for anyone to fit in with.
I completely understand the reasons why people hold demonstrations, but I do feel that they lack any real meaningful impact or change on the situation causing the demonstration in the first place.
People could argue that failing to make a position clear means that nothing actually changes, but my long-held view is that there are better and more effective ways of making change happen - especially since in this day and age, most demos create a counter-demo, which then causes friction and violence.
Talbot - // /The demonstration descended into violence when anti-racist protesters attempted to block the DFLA’s route.//
Why don't the so called anti-racist stay away and see if it descends into violence without their input? //
The anti-racists would argue that letting the right-wing demonstrate without opposition infers and acceptance of their views, which of course they would not be willing to allow.
/ And what part of the highlighted aims of the march do the anti-racist object to?
returning jihadists?
Awol migrants?
rape gangs and groomers?
Or veterans treated like traitors? //
I would suggest that it is less the reasoning behind the demo that the anti-racists find objectionable, so much as the notion of 'lads', as they laughingly refer to themselves, using the format of a demonstration to indulge their love of banding together, making a lot of noise, intimidating innocent people, and generally bringing a delusions sense of power and effect into their otherwise sad and miserable lives.
That said, I do not side any more with the anti-racists whom I believe have many of the same motivations behind their actions -albeit without the boneheaded racism of their opposite numbers.
In my view, demonstrations should be stopped, they waste police time and man-power, they achieve only the self-aggrandisement of the protesters, and achieve nothing in terms of real change.
There are better and more effective ways to register a protest than rampaging around in gangs picking fights and making unpleasant noise.
Why don't the so called anti-racist stay away and see if it descends into violence without their input? //
The anti-racists would argue that letting the right-wing demonstrate without opposition infers and acceptance of their views, which of course they would not be willing to allow.
/ And what part of the highlighted aims of the march do the anti-racist object to?
returning jihadists?
Awol migrants?
rape gangs and groomers?
Or veterans treated like traitors? //
I would suggest that it is less the reasoning behind the demo that the anti-racists find objectionable, so much as the notion of 'lads', as they laughingly refer to themselves, using the format of a demonstration to indulge their love of banding together, making a lot of noise, intimidating innocent people, and generally bringing a delusions sense of power and effect into their otherwise sad and miserable lives.
That said, I do not side any more with the anti-racists whom I believe have many of the same motivations behind their actions -albeit without the boneheaded racism of their opposite numbers.
In my view, demonstrations should be stopped, they waste police time and man-power, they achieve only the self-aggrandisement of the protesters, and achieve nothing in terms of real change.
There are better and more effective ways to register a protest than rampaging around in gangs picking fights and making unpleasant noise.
Talbot - // Yes I'm sure women would have got the vote without any suffragette demonstrations... Eventually... Perhaps. //
The Suffragette movement was of its time - when men held a completely unequal balance of power in the world.
Time and society have moved on in myriad ways since then, and the advent of social media means that anyone with access to a computer has the means to voice their views on anything to the wider world.
Demonstrations were the means of 'ordinary people' making their views known in those days, in modern society they are redundant, but remain oxygenated by agitators who love to stir up trouble under the cloak of respectability formed by the notion that they are enjoying freedom of speech.
The Suffragette movement was of its time - when men held a completely unequal balance of power in the world.
Time and society have moved on in myriad ways since then, and the advent of social media means that anyone with access to a computer has the means to voice their views on anything to the wider world.
Demonstrations were the means of 'ordinary people' making their views known in those days, in modern society they are redundant, but remain oxygenated by agitators who love to stir up trouble under the cloak of respectability formed by the notion that they are enjoying freedom of speech.
The Suffragette movement was of its time - when men held a completely unequal balance of power in the world.
I won't call that meaningless I will call it ignorant...the world is bigger than just the west.
You type and type and type but you never without being pushed address difficult issues like women in many parts of the world (in pockets of the UK too) are second class citizens.
There's a suffragette movement going on right now but because it is not under your nose you are oblivious... the suffragette movement is not of its time...it is the here and now.
I won't call that meaningless I will call it ignorant...the world is bigger than just the west.
You type and type and type but you never without being pushed address difficult issues like women in many parts of the world (in pockets of the UK too) are second class citizens.
There's a suffragette movement going on right now but because it is not under your nose you are oblivious... the suffragette movement is not of its time...it is the here and now.
Talbot - I think you and I both know that the standard use of the term 'suffragette' refers to the Women's' Suffrage Movement which campaigned for the right for women to vote in the early decades of the last century.
To decide arbitrarily to widen the meaning beyond its generally accepted meaning, which is how I used it, simply to bolster your point, and then castigating me for not knowing your intention in advance, is simply poor debating skills.
I am not ignorant, but neither am I a mind-reader.
To decide arbitrarily to widen the meaning beyond its generally accepted meaning, which is how I used it, simply to bolster your point, and then castigating me for not knowing your intention in advance, is simply poor debating skills.
I am not ignorant, but neither am I a mind-reader.
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