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Is There No End That The Anti-Trump Brigade Will Go To?
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This latest US President has done more for World peace than any past Presidents.
What would some rather him do, sabre rattle with Russia and North Korea or seek better relationships with them?
This latest US President has done more for World peace than any past Presidents.
What would some rather him do, sabre rattle with Russia and North Korea or seek better relationships with them?
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Yeah!! Go for it! Another opportunity for a Trump hate-fest! I’ve long ceased to be bemused by the exaggerated ramblings of the anti-Trump brigade - rather the whole dishonest bandwagon leaves me pretty much disgusted every time it rolls by - which has been practically every day for the past couple of years. Example, “This is a man who disgracefull
16:54 Tue 17th Jul 2018
andy-hughes
/// Hang on, it's less than an hour ago that you were lecturing me about not picking you up for being offensive to other AB'ers. ///
Others and you especially are offensive to me, so I have learned through my many years on AB, (longevity and experience once again) to respond like for like.
This is the last time I will respond to your side tracking, since I do not wish to derail my own thread, as is your usual practice, although you are always picking on other ABers for doing likewise, but then that is your own hypocrisy that constantly shines through Hughes.
/// Hang on, it's less than an hour ago that you were lecturing me about not picking you up for being offensive to other AB'ers. ///
Others and you especially are offensive to me, so I have learned through my many years on AB, (longevity and experience once again) to respond like for like.
This is the last time I will respond to your side tracking, since I do not wish to derail my own thread, as is your usual practice, although you are always picking on other ABers for doing likewise, but then that is your own hypocrisy that constantly shines through Hughes.
Here's the thing about this lampooning of Trump on social media though (which was the subject of the question) - it doesn't do anything to change anyone's opinion of him.
It entrenches people's position. If you like him, repeated attacks on him will only reinforce that, and if you hate him, you'll have a laugh and pass the meme on to your other Trump hating mates in your Trump hating bubble. We've seen it lots of times with things Brexit, the UK elections, and Trump's election itself.
It entrenches people's position. If you like him, repeated attacks on him will only reinforce that, and if you hate him, you'll have a laugh and pass the meme on to your other Trump hating mates in your Trump hating bubble. We've seen it lots of times with things Brexit, the UK elections, and Trump's election itself.
Yeah!! Go for it! Another opportunity for a Trump hate-fest! I’ve long ceased to be bemused by the exaggerated ramblings of the anti-Trump brigade - rather the whole dishonest bandwagon leaves me pretty much disgusted every time it rolls by - which has been practically every day for the past couple of years. Example, “This is a man who disgracefully maligned the British Prime Minister in a national British tabloid and then denied what he had said as 'fake news' even though the paper has a transcript of his interview!”. “Disgracefully maligned”? I read the transcript and I saw no disgraceful maligning going on. Just recently I spent a considerable amount of time on a thread on that very subject and asked several times for someone to tell me how he’d lied. Guess what? No answers. Criticise, yes, but utilising deceit to support a case against Trump – or anyone - says far more about the accuser than it will ever say about the object of the malice.
Back to the topic. I’ve no doubt his intentions are good - he said he wants peace – that’s what’s called diplomacy – but I believe him. I think he genuinely does want peace. However….bigmouth, arrogant, whatever, he might be – and he is - he isn’t a fool and we don’t know what he’s thinking. Does he trust Putin? Does he hell! Only a fool would believe that. Remember when practically the whole world (as is de rigueur – and God help you if you don’t join in the mayhem) hissed, booed, and mocked when he went sabre-rattling against Kim? You did …. didn’t y’all? …. and look what happened. As for doubting the suspicions of his own security people, very strange … in fact I’d say bizarrely curious. However, unlike those here who seem to think they know what he’s thinking, I don’t. As far as I’m concerned when lies and propaganda are bandied around as freely as they are around him – and I’ve no doubt whatsoever that he is very well aware that they are - it’s one to watch. I’ll watch and wait.
Back to the topic. I’ve no doubt his intentions are good - he said he wants peace – that’s what’s called diplomacy – but I believe him. I think he genuinely does want peace. However….bigmouth, arrogant, whatever, he might be – and he is - he isn’t a fool and we don’t know what he’s thinking. Does he trust Putin? Does he hell! Only a fool would believe that. Remember when practically the whole world (as is de rigueur – and God help you if you don’t join in the mayhem) hissed, booed, and mocked when he went sabre-rattling against Kim? You did …. didn’t y’all? …. and look what happened. As for doubting the suspicions of his own security people, very strange … in fact I’d say bizarrely curious. However, unlike those here who seem to think they know what he’s thinking, I don’t. As far as I’m concerned when lies and propaganda are bandied around as freely as they are around him – and I’ve no doubt whatsoever that he is very well aware that they are - it’s one to watch. I’ll watch and wait.
" don't think the Russians have 'got anything' on Trump. We'd almost like to believe that because it would mean his behaviour would make some sense. No. I fear he's just a bit of a fool."
I tend to agree. What the Russians "have" on Trump is what we can all see: the man's an egocentric buffoon, easily played.
I tend to agree. What the Russians "have" on Trump is what we can all see: the man's an egocentric buffoon, easily played.
"Remember when practically the whole world (as is de rigueur – and God help you if you don’t join in the mayhem) hissed, booed, and mocked when he went sabre-rattling against Kim? You did …. didn’t y’all? …. and look what happened."
What happened? Not very much as far as anyone can see. Apart from a meeting and a completely out of the blue commitment by \trump to stop joint US-Korea Republic military exercises that spooked the Koreans and is one reason why the western allies were concerned about him going into a room alone with the likes of Putin.
There is nothing whatever wrong with trying to agree arms limitation and cooperation on a range of things with Russia. That is not the issue here: it is his apparent contempt for his own country and a refusal to admit the obvious: the the Kremlin is waging cyber war on the US and the west in general, and a particularly aggrssive espionage campaign going to the heaert of the White House to boot (we've just had arrested in Washington this Maria Butina of the GRU, who infiltrated the NRA and was involved in meetings with senior republican parry officials, possibly even in Trump's presence )
None of this of course is Russia's fault. It is this constant one-eyed approach to matters Kremlin that worries normal people.
What happened? Not very much as far as anyone can see. Apart from a meeting and a completely out of the blue commitment by \trump to stop joint US-Korea Republic military exercises that spooked the Koreans and is one reason why the western allies were concerned about him going into a room alone with the likes of Putin.
There is nothing whatever wrong with trying to agree arms limitation and cooperation on a range of things with Russia. That is not the issue here: it is his apparent contempt for his own country and a refusal to admit the obvious: the the Kremlin is waging cyber war on the US and the west in general, and a particularly aggrssive espionage campaign going to the heaert of the White House to boot (we've just had arrested in Washington this Maria Butina of the GRU, who infiltrated the NRA and was involved in meetings with senior republican parry officials, possibly even in Trump's presence )
None of this of course is Russia's fault. It is this constant one-eyed approach to matters Kremlin that worries normal people.
"Does he trust Putin? Does he hell! Only a fool would believe that."
I wish I could believe you. But there remains a stark and somewhat disturbing truth that you don't seem to want to acknowledge: Trump has been rude about and dismissive of basically every world leader he's met, and universally fawning and respectful for only one: Vladimir Putin. Every opportunity he's had to compliment Vlad he's taken; every opportunity to be, on the other hand, critical of him goes begging.
I actually tend to believe Trump when he says that "there was no collusion", at least involving Trump and Putin personally (some kind of shenanigans lower down, probably, though). What I find so amazing is how much effort he goes to to give the impression that there was at the same time as denying it. It's like Baldric's denial -- "I definitely did not eat this delicious, plump-breasted pigeon" -- and Trump definitely does not collude with this admirable, honourable, honest and brilliantly fantastic world leader who he admires very much in every way...
I wish I could believe you. But there remains a stark and somewhat disturbing truth that you don't seem to want to acknowledge: Trump has been rude about and dismissive of basically every world leader he's met, and universally fawning and respectful for only one: Vladimir Putin. Every opportunity he's had to compliment Vlad he's taken; every opportunity to be, on the other hand, critical of him goes begging.
I actually tend to believe Trump when he says that "there was no collusion", at least involving Trump and Putin personally (some kind of shenanigans lower down, probably, though). What I find so amazing is how much effort he goes to to give the impression that there was at the same time as denying it. It's like Baldric's denial -- "I definitely did not eat this delicious, plump-breasted pigeon" -- and Trump definitely does not collude with this admirable, honourable, honest and brilliantly fantastic world leader who he admires very much in every way...
Ah, yes, the Trump/Kim summit. Another thing that has promised much but, so far, has delivered little.
Trump, the day after, proudly boasted that "Americans can sleep soundly in their beds tonight", for in one day or so he alone had averted the threat of nuclear war that had hung over the heads of the peninsula for decades. Barely a month later, of course, Trump acknowledged that basically nothing had changed.
I can't use the Munich Agreement analogy too often, but it really was something like that. Trump went over to Singapore and gave Kim everything he wanted, and got nothing back; Trump meets Putin and does the same.
Admirers of Trump have lost the courage to see things as they truly are. They are hoodwinked, taken in by his personality, by his bluster, by his just being different -- and, of course, by his annoying people you didn't really like. He'll achieve nothing. When he does cure cancer, eliminate the threat of nuclear war, and fix everything, I'll be happy to cheer for him. When he signally fails to achieve even an iota of what he promised, I am sure you'll still find an excuse to hide yourself from the truth.
Trump, the day after, proudly boasted that "Americans can sleep soundly in their beds tonight", for in one day or so he alone had averted the threat of nuclear war that had hung over the heads of the peninsula for decades. Barely a month later, of course, Trump acknowledged that basically nothing had changed.
I can't use the Munich Agreement analogy too often, but it really was something like that. Trump went over to Singapore and gave Kim everything he wanted, and got nothing back; Trump meets Putin and does the same.
Admirers of Trump have lost the courage to see things as they truly are. They are hoodwinked, taken in by his personality, by his bluster, by his just being different -- and, of course, by his annoying people you didn't really like. He'll achieve nothing. When he does cure cancer, eliminate the threat of nuclear war, and fix everything, I'll be happy to cheer for him. When he signally fails to achieve even an iota of what he promised, I am sure you'll still find an excuse to hide yourself from the truth.
Jim, , // Every opportunity he's had to compliment Vlad he's taken; every opportunity to be, on the other hand, critical of him goes begging.//
Do keep up. (From a quick google in response to your post). Not difficult to tell the truth is it.
//Mon, Apr 09
President Trump responded to attacks in Syria as 'mindless' in a series of Sunday tweets, and he went as far as criticizing 'President Putin' for 'backing Animal Assad' along with Iran. //
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Do keep up. (From a quick google in response to your post). Not difficult to tell the truth is it.
//Mon, Apr 09
President Trump responded to attacks in Syria as 'mindless' in a series of Sunday tweets, and he went as far as criticizing 'President Putin' for 'backing Animal Assad' along with Iran. //
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OMG, one quote that ruins everything I say and proves that Trump "Putin was a pleasant call, this [speaking to the Australian PM] is ridiculous" (Jan, 2017) :
Interviewer: "Putin's a killer."
Trump: "There's a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?" (Feb 4, 2017)
Or this, on the Crimean invasion:
“Well, he’s done an amazing job of taking the mantle... you look at what he’s doing. And so smart. When you see the riots in a country because they’re hurting the Russians, OK, ‘We’ll go and take it over.’ And he really goes step by step by step, and you have to give him a lot of credit.”(April 12, 2014)
Or this gem: “Putin is a nicer person than I am.” (Sep 28, 2015)
And then, after all that, there was this:
// “I never met Putin, I don’t know who Putin is." [wait, what??] // (July 27, 2016)
I could go on. If it satisfies your desire for fairness, Trump has said like five nasty things about Putin and about a hundred times more positive things. The point doesn't get affected because I exaggerated a little. And anyway, isn't ridiculous hyperbole part of the Trump style?
Interviewer: "Putin's a killer."
Trump: "There's a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?" (Feb 4, 2017)
Or this, on the Crimean invasion:
“Well, he’s done an amazing job of taking the mantle... you look at what he’s doing. And so smart. When you see the riots in a country because they’re hurting the Russians, OK, ‘We’ll go and take it over.’ And he really goes step by step by step, and you have to give him a lot of credit.”(April 12, 2014)
Or this gem: “Putin is a nicer person than I am.” (Sep 28, 2015)
And then, after all that, there was this:
// “I never met Putin, I don’t know who Putin is." [wait, what??] // (July 27, 2016)
I could go on. If it satisfies your desire for fairness, Trump has said like five nasty things about Putin and about a hundred times more positive things. The point doesn't get affected because I exaggerated a little. And anyway, isn't ridiculous hyperbole part of the Trump style?
Canary42
What I find seriously disturbing is the way that some people on here are sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting that this is just the usual Trump-bashing.
This is WAY ABOVE THAT.
This is unprecedented in the history of the U.S.
Former CIA director John O. Brennan said "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to and exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes and misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???
John McCain said that the press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory and that no prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant.
And Fox News, I repeat Fox News called Trump's Helsinki performance 'disgusting' and 'wrong'.
I will repeat that because this needs to sink in...
FOX FLIPPING NEWS!!!
What I find seriously disturbing is the way that some people on here are sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting that this is just the usual Trump-bashing.
This is WAY ABOVE THAT.
This is unprecedented in the history of the U.S.
Former CIA director John O. Brennan said "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to and exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes and misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???
John McCain said that the press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory and that no prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant.
And Fox News, I repeat Fox News called Trump's Helsinki performance 'disgusting' and 'wrong'.
I will repeat that because this needs to sink in...
FOX FLIPPING NEWS!!!
Dan Coats, Trump’s own director of national intelligence has said:
//The role of the Intelligence Community is to provide the best information and fact-based assessments possible for the President and policymakers. We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.//
You could argue that Trump’s own DNI is telling us Trump is a traitor by siding with the Russians over his own intelligence community.
This is why some people are beginning to wonder whether Trump's driver here is world peace (hooray if it is) or whether it's driven by something that the Russians have over him (which would be the worst case scenario ever).
I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's the former.
//The role of the Intelligence Community is to provide the best information and fact-based assessments possible for the President and policymakers. We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.//
You could argue that Trump’s own DNI is telling us Trump is a traitor by siding with the Russians over his own intelligence community.
This is why some people are beginning to wonder whether Trump's driver here is world peace (hooray if it is) or whether it's driven by something that the Russians have over him (which would be the worst case scenario ever).
I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's the former.
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