Most Rape Is Just Lazy, Just Careless, Just Insensitive Sex

[sp1814]

According to Germaine Greer.

https://news.sky.com/story/germaine-greer-says-most-rape-is-bad-sex-not-violent-crime-11390855

Is she right?

[Sqad]

To me, I can see from where she is coming in that the definition of rape has changed over the years.

50 years ago, rape was defined as the gratuitous use of a woman for sexual pleasure and one visualised the rapist breaking into a house and gratuitously having non consensual intercourse with the victim or waiting behind a bush as the victim walks by and is dragged into the undergrowth and sexually abused. The tell tale signs of trauma to the female genitalia of bruising,abrasions and bleeding.
The abhorrent old fashioned definition of rape.

Bringing us back to the present time, the definition of rape has now changed to any non consensual penetration of the woman by the male genital organ. if the woman says no, then penile penetration is rape.

How many male Abers can honestly say that they haven't had penetration with their wives and partners when it is obvious that he/she doesn't want to continue?
Very few i fear.
Today that is classed as rape and does, in my opinion account for the majority of cases of "modern rape." I do agree with Germaine Greer.

degrees of rape have been brought up by the M.P Kenneth Clark and this was not a popular pronouncement especially as he suggested varying sentences for varying "types " of rape.

I agree with Germain Greer.

[Peter Pedant]

I am not sure if you are correct in saying the definition has changed
sex wivvart consent - I cannot say I paid much attention to the 1956 act as it then was

in 1970s it was estimated that 2% were reported - so doubling the reporting rate would just raise it to 4%

if you double the prosecution rate ( which my fren' Ally has) then inevitably you prosecute 'the second division' that is cases less likely to succeed
and your conviction rate will go down
No one at the MoJ could understand that point when I made it - they are all history grads, classicists, etc.,

[Cloverjo]

I think she should have said 'Some' not 'Most'.
I don't think she was saying that rape victims should just get over it, as she did. While it's not acceptable for a man to force himself on a woman, some are more traumatic than others.
I agree with Sqad to certain extent.

[Gromit]

Funny how Greer says something stupid when she has a book to sell.

[jno]

Sqad, that may account for much "modern rape" but is anyone ever prosecuted for it? Because if not, Greer (a woman I have a lot of respect for, The Female Eunuch was a highlight of the 1960s) is just missing the point, which is mostly about violent rape.

[jno]

actually, it wasn't published till 1970, a couple of years later than I thought.

[ummmm]

Sqad - I've had sex when I didn't really want to. It wasn't rape because he would have stopped had I asked him to. Some women though (and men) are intimidated into doing it. There's the difference.

[Sqad]

ummmm....maybe they would stop, maybe they wouldn't....who knows?
That is not Greer's point, as i see it. she is saying that widening the definition of rape to it's modern context makes "lazy sex" the commonest form of rape and i agree with her.

[kvalidir]

No Sqad, there is a difference between being voluntarily in bed with a partner, who fancies having sex, makes the move, and you can't frankly be arsed to say you're not really feeling it because it's quicker, pleasanter and less hassle to just let them get on with it, than ANY sort of rape. Plenty of women know that if they asked their menfolk to stop they would, but then you have to deal with the little boy lost rejection eyes, the inquisition about 'what's wrong' and generally making someone you love feel like crap. THAT isn't rape, that is lazy sex and that's not what most people consider rape either of either sex, she's off the mark here and dangerously so.

[jim360]

Such a scale is already provided for in practice, either by adding extra charges to reflect the crime in question, or more generally through the sentencing guidelines.

[ummmm]

I've had sex loads of times when I weren't in the mood for it. I'll make it clear that I'm doing it for him so don't expect much effort from me. It's consensual though.

[Sqad]

Kvali....I agree with all you say, but disagree with your conclusion.
This definition of rape has been discussed ad nauseam on AB and the very popular conclusion was "lazy sex" WAS rape, by our modern definition.
In fact when i admitted to occasional bouts of "lazy sex" one well known and popular female ABer called me a rapist.

No, what Greer is highlighting is thee the commonest form of rape is now......"lazy sex." Indeed that point was raised by Kenneth Clark some months ago when he suggested degrees of rape.......but he was lambasted for this.

[kvalidir]

How does one 'over react' Spath when a woman has said no she doesn't want to have sex with you and you go ahead anyway? No means no. End of. (Unlesss you're playing a predetermined sex game with safe words obviously).

[kvalidir]

Sorry Spath, just re-read that and my use of the tense 'you' was probably a bit unfortunate :/