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Another Brexit Defeat
Is it now inevitable, that the Brexit that many people voted for, will never ever happen?
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People seem to forget that there were two different Leave campaigns. There was VoteLeave - the "official" one and Leave.Eu. Both of them were about equal in reach, and promoted completely different ideas of what Leaving would be. Leave.Eu advocated total departure and stressed immigration, while VL said essentially anything it needed to. One of the...
23:33 Tue 08th May 2018
It’s not a divorce, sp, and the comparison is specious.
It’s a realignment of the UK’s constitution from one where the country is subservient to the EU (remember, the Lisbon Treaty declares that EU law trumps national law) to one which regains its sovereignty over all matters.
It’s a mess because the EU will do all it can to make sure it is unsuccessful. They want to make sure that no other member nation tries to escape. They have been wilfully aided by the UK government which, instead of making every effort to act in the best interests of the UK, makes every effort to appease the EU in the vain hope that it will somehow allow us to retain some of the advantages of its club. That was never going to happen and our stupid politicians, so enthralled to the Brussels machine as they are, cannot bring themselves to make a clean break.
They do so at their peril because over half those who voted chose to leave. The arrangements being discussed at present provide nothing like a departure. All they provide is EU membership by another name and the electorate will not let them forget it should it come about. About five times as many nations are normal countries than are EU members. Many of them do very well. The current government needs to take a look around at them instead of worrying about what our future relationship with a declining economic bloc will be.
It’s a realignment of the UK’s constitution from one where the country is subservient to the EU (remember, the Lisbon Treaty declares that EU law trumps national law) to one which regains its sovereignty over all matters.
It’s a mess because the EU will do all it can to make sure it is unsuccessful. They want to make sure that no other member nation tries to escape. They have been wilfully aided by the UK government which, instead of making every effort to act in the best interests of the UK, makes every effort to appease the EU in the vain hope that it will somehow allow us to retain some of the advantages of its club. That was never going to happen and our stupid politicians, so enthralled to the Brussels machine as they are, cannot bring themselves to make a clean break.
They do so at their peril because over half those who voted chose to leave. The arrangements being discussed at present provide nothing like a departure. All they provide is EU membership by another name and the electorate will not let them forget it should it come about. About five times as many nations are normal countries than are EU members. Many of them do very well. The current government needs to take a look around at them instead of worrying about what our future relationship with a declining economic bloc will be.
While I remember, I notice that Daniel Hannan is also encouraging a moderate withdrawal via EFTA membership. Because that's the kind of Brexit he has always argued for and what he thought it meant. Hannan was,of course, one of the most important parliamentary voices for Leave at the time (though he has since been eclipsed by Mogg).
As I said before, it's extremely conceited to believe that "Leave" meant one thing only. The campaign very deliberately toyed with completely different ideas of Leaving at different times and even through different organisations, all of whom were dedicated to the same box on the ballot paper. "Brexit means Brexit" is among the most meaningless political slogans ever devised.
As I said before, it's extremely conceited to believe that "Leave" meant one thing only. The campaign very deliberately toyed with completely different ideas of Leaving at different times and even through different organisations, all of whom were dedicated to the same box on the ballot paper. "Brexit means Brexit" is among the most meaningless political slogans ever devised.
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