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To Our Labour Supporters, What Will It Take For You To Withdraw That Support?
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Must have been a right little anti British love in.
Must have been a right little anti British love in.
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If there are British people who vote for Jeremy Corbyn at any future election, they do so in the knowledge they are voting for a man who has consistently put his own ideology ahead of British interests all his life. Whether it's his embracing of terrorists, disarming our armed forces or cosying up to our enemies, the man is a serious danger to British security....
12:44 Mon 19th Feb 2018
In fairness, it is not really in JC's power whether the file about him is released or not. National archives vary considerably across Eastern Europe and Russia regarding how much they declassify (or, recently, re-classify) and how much they digitize their holdings. I doubt Corbyn has enough influence in that part of the world to get his file released, let alone publicly.
Kromo; The Stasi archivists have said they will release the files, no problem, they just need Corbyn's consent;
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Be interesting to see what, if anything is revealed about his links to the former East Germany. Remember, back in the days when East Germany was virtually closed to all of the rest of Europe, and America, (to highlight only two examples) Cob was able to visit and ride his motor bike, unhindered, the length and breadth of the place. Diane Abbott was his pillion passenger. Bet they made an arresting sight in East Germany at the time.
Khandro, the fact that the man - diplomat, agent, whatever - that Mr Corbyn met told his masters in Prague that HE had organised the Live Aid and Free Mandela concerts, as well as recruiting Mr Corbyn, gave me a clue as to his credibility!
As for this being nothing more than a Tory mud-slinging exercise, let’s not forget that The Sunday Times suggested in 1995 that Michael Foot was a KGB agent. The Labour leader sued and won! Indeed, for years, he proudly showed off to visitors the new kitchen Murdoch had "bought" for him! I believe Corbyn should do the same. Perhaps his bathroom needs updating!
The same paper made similar accusations about Neil Kinnock being “in league” with the Kremlin. It seems to be a historical compulsion for the Murdoch press to mount such a campaign, so now The Sun, yet another Murdoch paper, is trying on exactly the same character assassination of a Labour leader.
It’s as plain as a pikestaff that this is exactly what I suggested it was earlier in this thread…a despicable attempt by a despicable so-called "news" empire to influence any upcoming election.
As for this being nothing more than a Tory mud-slinging exercise, let’s not forget that The Sunday Times suggested in 1995 that Michael Foot was a KGB agent. The Labour leader sued and won! Indeed, for years, he proudly showed off to visitors the new kitchen Murdoch had "bought" for him! I believe Corbyn should do the same. Perhaps his bathroom needs updating!
The same paper made similar accusations about Neil Kinnock being “in league” with the Kremlin. It seems to be a historical compulsion for the Murdoch press to mount such a campaign, so now The Sun, yet another Murdoch paper, is trying on exactly the same character assassination of a Labour leader.
It’s as plain as a pikestaff that this is exactly what I suggested it was earlier in this thread…a despicable attempt by a despicable so-called "news" empire to influence any upcoming election.
QM. Is this a bit more, "Tory mudslinging"?
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Allow me.
//Corbyn’s constituents in Islington didn’t see much of their MP in 1986, if his Register of Interests is anything to go by. When he wasn’t meeting Jan Sarkocy in London, Jezza was jumping on a plane to the Cold War frontline. As well as two trips to El Salvador, in January and November, in August Corbyn travelled to Cuba and Nicaragua. He discloses in his register entry that he accepted “travel assistance from the Cuban government” – in other words he was welcomed and hosted by a ruthless military dictatorship that according to Human Rights Watch punished all forms of dissent, denied entire generations political freedoms and brutally repressed homosexuals.//
//Corbyn’s constituents in Islington didn’t see much of their MP in 1986, if his Register of Interests is anything to go by. When he wasn’t meeting Jan Sarkocy in London, Jezza was jumping on a plane to the Cold War frontline. As well as two trips to El Salvador, in January and November, in August Corbyn travelled to Cuba and Nicaragua. He discloses in his register entry that he accepted “travel assistance from the Cuban government” – in other words he was welcomed and hosted by a ruthless military dictatorship that according to Human Rights Watch punished all forms of dissent, denied entire generations political freedoms and brutally repressed homosexuals.//
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Khandro, your contribution at 21.21 yesterday asked if the material supposedly collected on Mr Corbyn by American spies was just "more Tory mud-slinging". Well, I've always had the impression that YOU are a Tory and YOU were the one who just slung it!
I read the information provided and there was nothing whatsoever in it to suggest he had done anything even remotely illegal or treasonous and there is certainly no evidence that he sold British secrets to anyone. Hence your contribution was totally irrelevant.
You appear not to have grasped that - even if you found indisputable evidence that Corbyn had poisoned Thatcher - that STILL wouldn't prove he sold secrets to a Czech spy 30 years ago!
I said a couple of days ago that I thought Mr Corbyn should take legal action against the vice-chairperson...of whom the Tories seem to have a veritable 'herd' nowadays...and it appears he now has. I won't wish Jeremy luck, as it's an open and shut case of libel.
I read the information provided and there was nothing whatsoever in it to suggest he had done anything even remotely illegal or treasonous and there is certainly no evidence that he sold British secrets to anyone. Hence your contribution was totally irrelevant.
You appear not to have grasped that - even if you found indisputable evidence that Corbyn had poisoned Thatcher - that STILL wouldn't prove he sold secrets to a Czech spy 30 years ago!
I said a couple of days ago that I thought Mr Corbyn should take legal action against the vice-chairperson...of whom the Tories seem to have a veritable 'herd' nowadays...and it appears he now has. I won't wish Jeremy luck, as it's an open and shut case of libel.
QM; I have never said he "sold secrets", but one must ask why rid he consort with all these disreputable types and regimes, did he just go to these places for a holiday?
In the days of the cold war, any information was in a way secret and of interest to iron curtain countries. Example; In the late 1960s I travelled there myself, by car on business (in the arts, by car, 2.4 Jaguar) and happened to have a recent copy of Time - a fairly innocuous magazine which covered politics, current affairs and the arts, somewhere under a seat.
The interest this caused was startling, not from secret police but ordinary educated people, it is impossible to overstate how starved every one was of information from the west, and it was passed around and read with relish.
Anything said by Corbyn, Livingstone et al relating to contemporary politics and attitudes would have been of importance and useful in some way, otherwise why did they keep a files on them, and why does they not give permission for their release?
In the days of the cold war, any information was in a way secret and of interest to iron curtain countries. Example; In the late 1960s I travelled there myself, by car on business (in the arts, by car, 2.4 Jaguar) and happened to have a recent copy of Time - a fairly innocuous magazine which covered politics, current affairs and the arts, somewhere under a seat.
The interest this caused was startling, not from secret police but ordinary educated people, it is impossible to overstate how starved every one was of information from the west, and it was passed around and read with relish.
Anything said by Corbyn, Livingstone et al relating to contemporary politics and attitudes would have been of importance and useful in some way, otherwise why did they keep a files on them, and why does they not give permission for their release?
K, you say, "In the days of the cold war, any information was in a way secret."
No, it WASN'T! Telling someone in Castro's Cuba that the London station he would need to go to if he wanted to get to Edinburgh most easily was King's Cross wasn't secret. Nor was the result of the Arsenal v Chelsea game on May 18th 1985 something to be kept under wraps, was it? (I've no idea whether there was such a game on that date, but you get the idea, I'm sure!)
The current Czech spy absurdity is all about the supposed sale by Mr Corbyn of "BRITISH SECRETS" , which automatically implies 'Government' ones, such as nuclear deals, sales of military equipment, Prime Ministerial visits and so forth, as you well know.
Not a shred of evidence from the Tory press, nor from you, nor from any of your apparent supporters in this thread or elsewhere has been presented that Corbyn did any such thing during the Cold War nor at any other time!
Instead, you and they keep on insisting that it is up to Corbyn to prove that. NO IT ISN'T! That's not how the British system works. If someone is accused of doing something illegal or treasonous, it is 100% up to the accuser to prove that...the accused does not have to lift a finger to prove he is innocent!
So, there you go; show me what the evidence is for the claim that Mr Corbyn sold secrets to a Czech spy without wasting time on telling me about utterly irrelevant activities he may have indulged in elsewhere.
No, it WASN'T! Telling someone in Castro's Cuba that the London station he would need to go to if he wanted to get to Edinburgh most easily was King's Cross wasn't secret. Nor was the result of the Arsenal v Chelsea game on May 18th 1985 something to be kept under wraps, was it? (I've no idea whether there was such a game on that date, but you get the idea, I'm sure!)
The current Czech spy absurdity is all about the supposed sale by Mr Corbyn of "BRITISH SECRETS" , which automatically implies 'Government' ones, such as nuclear deals, sales of military equipment, Prime Ministerial visits and so forth, as you well know.
Not a shred of evidence from the Tory press, nor from you, nor from any of your apparent supporters in this thread or elsewhere has been presented that Corbyn did any such thing during the Cold War nor at any other time!
Instead, you and they keep on insisting that it is up to Corbyn to prove that. NO IT ISN'T! That's not how the British system works. If someone is accused of doing something illegal or treasonous, it is 100% up to the accuser to prove that...the accused does not have to lift a finger to prove he is innocent!
So, there you go; show me what the evidence is for the claim that Mr Corbyn sold secrets to a Czech spy without wasting time on telling me about utterly irrelevant activities he may have indulged in elsewhere.
Corbyn has dedicated his entire life to courting the company of enemies of Britain. Whether he made any monetary gain is, in one sense, irrelevant. Surely the broad and indebatable point is that he has gone out of his way to court terrorists, rogue regimes and has no conscience whatsoever about extending a warm welcome and a hand of friendship to people who think nothing to shedding innocent blood. And the vile hypocrisy is that all the while he is posing as some sort of moralising idealist, a man of peace. He doesn't need any mud slinging at him, he has spent his life rolling himself in it.
Well said Hazi. Meanwhile;
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More on Corbyn and the momentum way: If you don't like what the press says about you, there's only one thing to do - close them down. Hey; where have I heard that before?
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Yes, I wrote, "end of" above, but that was before I heard the news that Bradley had been forced to apologise to Mr Corbyn.
As a result of that, I attach below a copy of my response on Sun 25th at 09.45 to another thread dealing with that apology:
On another thread here (ie this thread) I recently said I hoped Mr Corbyn would take legal action against Ben Bradley for his claim, for which he had not a shred of evidence. Later I was delighted to note that Mr Corbyn had, indeed, done just that.
Now I am even more pleased to see that Bradley has been compelled to offer a grovelling apology. The icing on the cake is the fact that the Labour Party is to give some of the money he was obliged to pay to a charity to go to a food-bank in his constituency! His idea about the poor, you see, was that they should be sterilised to stop them having children, apparently unaware of where similar "solutions" had been applied by a right-wing party to problems elsewhere and in the not-too-distant past!
All's well that ends well!
As a result of that, I attach below a copy of my response on Sun 25th at 09.45 to another thread dealing with that apology:
On another thread here (ie this thread) I recently said I hoped Mr Corbyn would take legal action against Ben Bradley for his claim, for which he had not a shred of evidence. Later I was delighted to note that Mr Corbyn had, indeed, done just that.
Now I am even more pleased to see that Bradley has been compelled to offer a grovelling apology. The icing on the cake is the fact that the Labour Party is to give some of the money he was obliged to pay to a charity to go to a food-bank in his constituency! His idea about the poor, you see, was that they should be sterilised to stop them having children, apparently unaware of where similar "solutions" had been applied by a right-wing party to problems elsewhere and in the not-too-distant past!
All's well that ends well!
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