Eu Citizens "do Not Feel Welcome"

[Kromovaracun]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-migration-uk-brexit-referendum-latest-net-fall-figures-why-racism-hate-crime-brexodus-government-a7911196.html

In the year to March, approximately 120,000 EU citizens left the UK - a marked increase in the usual number leaving before 2016, and many citing that they felt "unwelcome" or "uncertain" from the way they were being treated by the public.

Businesses, in turn, are expressing concerns about a "brain drain" as they lose the skills of these people.

Do people feel this is a positive development, or should the UK try to be more welcoming?

[New Judge]

I don't actually think there will be too much of a problem because I cannot see too much divergence between the rights of EU citizens and those of UK citizens. Nonetheless, the UK government's primary responsibility is to the UK electorate. They have no obligation to especially preserve the rights of EU citizens resident here, beyond ensuring that they are treated in the same way as UK citizens. There should certainly be no obligation to ensure they enjoy identical rights to those of people living in the EU and I have no idea (a) why the EU thinks there should be and (b) why the UK government entertains such a notion as even a consideration.

[Old_Geezer]

I don't see the the UK trying to ensure that EU citizens don't lose any rights. That's can't be our concern. Our concern is that whilst here they have rights appropriate for visitors to the UK. Where they overlap with rights they presently have is purely by the way. I'd suggest they are unlikely to lose anything vital, and may even gain. We'll all have to wait and see.

[jourdain2]

Well, having lived in France, Eu citizens do better, healthwise, than we did. They changed the rules a few years ago so that you could no longer pay into the urssaf (Nat. Ins. equivalent) until you could prove 5 years residence. This forced a huge number of people into paying thousands of euros for private insurance. A close friend of mine hanged himself from cherry tree outside his front door because he was in such despair. I will forever hold this against French beaurocracy, I went with him to argue his case and we were met with a stone wall. He was a retired Police Inspector (forced to retire at 55). He and his wife owned their home,, paid their dues etc..

For goodness's sake do not believe the lies. The French, for a start, do not obey the rules (I can bear witness to this myself).

France does not admit any right to any benefits until you have been resident for 5 years. European residents here do very well.

[shaneystar2]

Speaking as someone who's married to one of these "foreigners" I can assure you that he doesn't feel welcome here any more in spite of having lived here for over forty years and paid his way.
In fact,shortly after the referendum ,whilst shopping in a local shop the assistant asked him when he would be going home .He just laughed and said he was going then as it was a five minute walk away. Good job I wasn't with him or I would have told them their fortune ,whether it was said jokingly or not.
When the incompetent Home Office started sending letters to people asking them to leave it's no wonder people started to feel worried and unwelcome.
I voted to remain in the EU but am now sick to the back teeth of these dithering politicians on both sides who seem to be getting nowhere fast. They don't seem to be able to negotiate the way out of their own front doors.The sooner it's all done and dusted and we can get back to normal and that people know exactly where they stand the better.

[naomi24]

A random shop assistant asked him if he was going home and now, after 40 years, he doesn’t feel welcome here? My, what a sensitive soul.

[Old_Geezer]

I think we'd all like it done and dusted, but whilst one side refuses to move the negotiations on to areas where agreement is more likely, and don't justify their demands for cash, nor accept solutions to borders that are put forward, nor put forward a reasonable suggestion/offer for citizens living in other countries, but seem to want a unilateral declaration from the other side, it doesn't look good. It's almost as if those who refuse to move the negotiations on are trying to get them to fail, whilst taking the opportunity to blame the other side every chance they get. But they can't be.... can they ?

[New Judge]

"It's almost as if those who refuse to move the negotiations on are trying to get them to fail,..."

Ah, you've noticed, OG !!!

[Zacs-Master]

As i keep saying, and as was evident before anyone voted, we have a pro EU Government. What did you expect? (and please don't say 'democracy to prevail' cos that was naive in the extreme).

[Old_Geezer]

If they achieved such an aim then we would leave owing nothing, and with no trade or other deal in place. That can be borne as it would be a temporary inconvenience, but the EU will have created division and ill feeling, and that benefits no one. It simply makes no sense, no matter who they might try to blame.

[Old_Geezer]

Debate tactic #34: Pooh pooh the answer to your question beforehand to avoid the embarrassment of having it pointed out.

[Zacs-Master]

Debate tactic #45: Avoid answering a difficult question by criticising the manner in which it's asked.

[Zacs-Master]

Anyway, may said she'd be tough;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39784170

[tamborine]

My asian grocer irked that I shopped in a polish shop. I told him that they sell roll mops and fresh cream tarts that he doesnt sell. "Next week we get for you" he says :(

I think the asians are most Brexiters