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Do You Agree That The Objective In Fox Hunting Is Not Only To Eradicate Pests (Like Foxes) But Is Also A Sport Which Combines Horse Riding In The Countryside With Hunting With A Pack Of Dogs
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Fox hunting is not necessarily an upper-class sport as there are working class people enjoying riding horses when fox hunting with dogs. In any case does it matter whether rich people or poor people enjoy a particular sport or recreation?
It is accepted in our collective consciousness that culling bacteria, viruses, rats, cockroaches, mosquitoes are acceptable; so is farming livestock for food or utilising animals for work. Sometimes it may be necessary to cull pests (like foxes, rats, grey squirrels, badgers, pigeons, etc) to prevent disease or to sustain food chains that are beneficial to humans. Whales are sometimes called 'cockroaches of the sea' as each whale eats tons of plankton every day. In the past, whales were culled for their oil & meat. Culling pests can be regarded as equivalent to using animals for food, work, vivisection for the development of new drugs, etc.
Hunting is a form of sport - equivalent to fishing, shooting ducks/partridges/pigeons. Fox hunting is an industry also employs people to look after the hunting dogs, horses & land in the countryside where the hunt occurs.
For those who say killing animals for fun, not out of necessity should not be allowed, eating meat from farm animals can sometimes be for fun too. Animals bred for specially for the sole purpose of experimentation, food or work are often kept in less cruel conditions than if those animals were living wild, fending a living for themselves. Animals living wild usually suffer death by disease, hunger, predation, etc. That’s life. Sometimes human civilisation needs are also urgent.
Specifically bred (or kept alive) animals are kept to achieve specific purposes - like farm animals for food, laboratory animals for vivisection, race horses for racing, partridge & hounds for fox hunting. Hounds are not pets, they are often kept by businesses/clubs that organize the hunting. Hounds are working animals - like race horses & greyhounds, guide dogs, police & military horses, etc.#
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Yes, conceivably, using packs of hounds (without having to observe the 'two dog' limit) to flush foxes out is more practicable & feasible than the present 'two dog limit regulation, as packs of dogs tend to hunt together.
It is accepted in our collective consciousness that culling bacteria, viruses, rats, cockroaches, mosquitoes are acceptable; so is farming livestock for food or utilising animals for work. Sometimes it may be necessary to cull pests (like foxes, rats, grey squirrels, badgers, pigeons, etc) to prevent disease or to sustain food chains that are beneficial to humans. Whales are sometimes called 'cockroaches of the sea' as each whale eats tons of plankton every day. In the past, whales were culled for their oil & meat. Culling pests can be regarded as equivalent to using animals for food, work, vivisection for the development of new drugs, etc.
Hunting is a form of sport - equivalent to fishing, shooting ducks/partridges/pigeons. Fox hunting is an industry also employs people to look after the hunting dogs, horses & land in the countryside where the hunt occurs.
For those who say killing animals for fun, not out of necessity should not be allowed, eating meat from farm animals can sometimes be for fun too. Animals bred for specially for the sole purpose of experimentation, food or work are often kept in less cruel conditions than if those animals were living wild, fending a living for themselves. Animals living wild usually suffer death by disease, hunger, predation, etc. That’s life. Sometimes human civilisation needs are also urgent.
Specifically bred (or kept alive) animals are kept to achieve specific purposes - like farm animals for food, laboratory animals for vivisection, race horses for racing, partridge & hounds for fox hunting. Hounds are not pets, they are often kept by businesses/clubs that organize the hunting. Hounds are working animals - like race horses & greyhounds, guide dogs, police & military horses, etc.#
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Yes, conceivably, using packs of hounds (without having to observe the 'two dog' limit) to flush foxes out is more practicable & feasible than the present 'two dog limit regulation, as packs of dogs tend to hunt together.
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237SJ - // ... They can be vicious things... //
But no more or less vicious than any other carnivorous animal.
There is a facile notion that foxes kill 'for fun' which is utter rubbish - foxes kill for food like all hunting animals.
Yes they will kill a dozen chickens in a hen house, but that is with the intention of taking one home, and burying the rest for future consumption.
A hen house with a dozen dead chickens in and no fox is a hen house that has seen the fox disturbed and off before he can bury all his kills, not because he killed them for fun - that's something only humans do.
But no more or less vicious than any other carnivorous animal.
There is a facile notion that foxes kill 'for fun' which is utter rubbish - foxes kill for food like all hunting animals.
Yes they will kill a dozen chickens in a hen house, but that is with the intention of taking one home, and burying the rest for future consumption.
A hen house with a dozen dead chickens in and no fox is a hen house that has seen the fox disturbed and off before he can bury all his kills, not because he killed them for fun - that's something only humans do.
I have had chickens and lambs killed by foxes. In this part of the world local farmers go out on foot with guns and dogs which by me is ok, and they are welcome to come onto my land. I think if people could see the carnage after a fox has got in amongst a flock of poultry they wouldn't be so quick to judge.
Having said that, I do not agree with the red coat brigade, blooding of children etc. etc. which to me is a blood sport. These would definitely not be welcome on my land.
Having said that, I do not agree with the red coat brigade, blooding of children etc. etc. which to me is a blood sport. These would definitely not be welcome on my land.
Foxes don't bury their kill for future consumption. The reason that they bite the heads off animals is because they are used to finding prey one at a time and because of the way humans farm, they can't cope with seeing too much prey in one place. That confuses their instincts so hence they go mad (like a kid in a sweet shop)
237SJ - //I'm not going to bother looking at your link AH because finding links doesn't make you an expert. I know what I am talking about and I don't think you do, sorry. //
I entirely agree - finding (and posting) a link does not make me an expert -that was not my intention.
My link merely backs up my point - from information about people who know more about foxes than I do.
I don't claim to know what I am talking about - hence the link - but you do claim, so why the problem in finding your point disproved by people who probably know more about foxes than either of us?
This is a discussion, not a contest - there is no point in ignoring facts because you don't like to be wrong - and apparently you are on this occasion.
I entirely agree - finding (and posting) a link does not make me an expert -that was not my intention.
My link merely backs up my point - from information about people who know more about foxes than I do.
I don't claim to know what I am talking about - hence the link - but you do claim, so why the problem in finding your point disproved by people who probably know more about foxes than either of us?
This is a discussion, not a contest - there is no point in ignoring facts because you don't like to be wrong - and apparently you are on this occasion.
I would believe David Attenborough over anyone on here and he studied foxes and found that, given the time, with no disturbance, a fox will take away and bury all that it has killed. If you find a hen house with lots of dead chickens then you have disturbed the fox before it has finished. So Andy has it right I believe.
if you like a sport that is exiting & not particularly dangerous to oneself I would suggest you join the Conservative Party & take part in peasant bashing. You start by Robbing the NHS & taking as much for the Party that you can get away with without causing the NHS to actually collapse. You can then use billions of the electorates cash to buy as many Northern Irish bigots as you like before the supply runs out. Another clever trick is to agree with the majority of the electorate regarding Brexit, but keep everything on the back burner simmering along whilst everyone forgets what it is all about & then quietly drift back into the EU whilst you hope no one is looking.
ladybirder: "A fox will take away and bury all that it has killed. If you find a hen house with lots of dead chickens"
In the race of 'survival of the fittest' for a given niche/habitat, animals are very often very greedy, self-selfish, self-serving as regard food & sex to survive (i.e. caring for themselves, not the needs of their fellow species or other species). Animals (apart from some humans) are not very charitable,
In the race of 'survival of the fittest' for a given niche/habitat, animals are very often very greedy, self-selfish, self-serving as regard food & sex to survive (i.e. caring for themselves, not the needs of their fellow species or other species). Animals (apart from some humans) are not very charitable,
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