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Political Misrepresentation?
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The more I study current affairs and history, the more I've come to realise something. The political left are probably the most dangerous people in the whole of human history and yet it is the political right that is constantly labelled as dangerous, violent and intolerant in the media.
This seems odd to me as it is those on the left of the political spectrum who enslave people and kill the most. The Nazis for example, are invariably described by most people as 'far right' yet they were National Socialists (ie. the far left). Their policies included (but were not limited to): free public health, re-nationalisation of big industry, guaranteeing workers holidays and other rights, promoting healthy living, environmentalism, removal of the class system, etc.
The communist regime in Russia was about as far left as can be imagined and they killed around 100 million of their own people. Benito Mussolini, the Italian leader, more often than not is described as a fascist and far right-winger. Yet he, like Hitler, believed in the (original) concept of totalitarianism – the idea that the state will care from you from cradle to grave (as opposed to the negative definition of 'totalitarianism' today that means absolute control by the state) and from whom Hitler copied many of his left-wing ideas – some of which are listed above.
Fascism and Nazism are always described (quite rightly in my opinion) as despicable, violent and ugly political ideologies and yet they are both demonstrably left-wing in nature.
Why are those on the right of the political spectrum tarred with the brush of intolerance and totalitarianism when it is those on the left with their hand on the handle?
This seems odd to me as it is those on the left of the political spectrum who enslave people and kill the most. The Nazis for example, are invariably described by most people as 'far right' yet they were National Socialists (ie. the far left). Their policies included (but were not limited to): free public health, re-nationalisation of big industry, guaranteeing workers holidays and other rights, promoting healthy living, environmentalism, removal of the class system, etc.
The communist regime in Russia was about as far left as can be imagined and they killed around 100 million of their own people. Benito Mussolini, the Italian leader, more often than not is described as a fascist and far right-winger. Yet he, like Hitler, believed in the (original) concept of totalitarianism – the idea that the state will care from you from cradle to grave (as opposed to the negative definition of 'totalitarianism' today that means absolute control by the state) and from whom Hitler copied many of his left-wing ideas – some of which are listed above.
Fascism and Nazism are always described (quite rightly in my opinion) as despicable, violent and ugly political ideologies and yet they are both demonstrably left-wing in nature.
Why are those on the right of the political spectrum tarred with the brush of intolerance and totalitarianism when it is those on the left with their hand on the handle?
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Ichkeria - “... "The zealots of this world are blind to anything outside of their own tiny little minds. They see racism where none exists" - Hence my suggestion that you didn't think Hitler was a racist. However there is plainly no point in debating with you...”
Once again, I never suggested that Hitler was not a racist. He was. Unquestionably. How many different ways to you want or expect to me to say that Hitler was utterly vile? You are deliberately throwing up straw-man arguments in an attempt to avoid addressing the real question. Have you no integrity? Now you simply say that there's no point debating with me. You have shown me not one shred of evidence to suggest that Hitler was right wing. Not one. You simply claim he was right wing because that's what you've been told and that's what you believe. This, despite the fact that I have given you proof (in the form of Hilter's own policies as leader of the National Socialists) that show he was an extreme left wing lunatic. Left wing. Get it?
We do agree on something. I too see absolutely no point in further debating this question with you as you seem utterly incapable of following a logical argument to its conclusion and have repeatedly failed to show any evidence to back up your belief.
At least sunny-dave has given me a link to support his view.
Once again, I never suggested that Hitler was not a racist. He was. Unquestionably. How many different ways to you want or expect to me to say that Hitler was utterly vile? You are deliberately throwing up straw-man arguments in an attempt to avoid addressing the real question. Have you no integrity? Now you simply say that there's no point debating with me. You have shown me not one shred of evidence to suggest that Hitler was right wing. Not one. You simply claim he was right wing because that's what you've been told and that's what you believe. This, despite the fact that I have given you proof (in the form of Hilter's own policies as leader of the National Socialists) that show he was an extreme left wing lunatic. Left wing. Get it?
We do agree on something. I too see absolutely no point in further debating this question with you as you seem utterly incapable of following a logical argument to its conclusion and have repeatedly failed to show any evidence to back up your belief.
At least sunny-dave has given me a link to support his view.
Right away I'm finding massive holes in the link you provided Dave. The definition of 'right' wing is a little (and sometimes very far) off the mark that it's almost funny. And this is the definition upon which all the the remaining argument is founded. It's doesn't look good for the validity of your link. However, I shall continue to read it and post a full comment on it in the near future.
By the way, I too have a link you may (or may not) be interested in:
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By the way, I too have a link you may (or may not) be interested in:
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birdie; Please don't take offence, but as you often do (imo) you tend to view things as either black or white, where in reality most things are not like that. Attempting to define German National Socialism as either left or right wing is superficial and rather meaningless because it was really both. When Hitler made all members of the armed forces swear allegiance to him personally (before their country) he was being ultra fascistic, and therefore what would be termed 'right wing', though when he tried to bring German peoples together under one flag (ein Volk) he was being left wing as he was when he wanted equality for all workers, banned hunting with dogs and vivisection on animals and had Ferdinand Porsche design a simple car for everyone to own (Volkswagen) all what would be termed social, sozialismus and left.
Khandro - “... When Hitler made all members of the armed forces swear allegiance to him personally (before their country) he was being ultra fascistic, and therefore what would be termed 'right wing'...”
Khandro, I thank you for responding to this thread in such a polite manner. I appreciate it more than you can know.
I asked the original question about whether Hitler was right of left wing for a very good reason. I have also stated that I could not care less whether he was left or right. In addition, I have asked whether the foundation of Fascism is based in either left or right wing politics. Again, I don't really care what the answer is, I just what to know what it is and then analyse whether what we are repeatedly told in schools and universities, in the newspapers and on TV, is factually accurate.
And my enquires have led me to this conclusion - Fascism (and by extension, Hitler who fits the fascist model) was born from the ultra left wing of politics.
You yourself have stated (in my selective quotation of your previous post above) that Fascism is deemed to be ultra right wing. Why is Fascism deemed to be right wing? What has lead you to believe that the ultra left wing political figure, Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini - the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party – would suddenly switch political stripes and lurch from left to right to create the political ideology we now know today as Fascism?
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It simply does not make sense. Mussolini was a socialist – his feet were firmly and deeply planted within the political left. Fascism was an ideology born from the political left and yet – and this goes right back to my original post – we are told that Fascism is a right wing creation. It isn't. It can't be. Its creator was a left wing political idealist.
Khandro, I thank you for responding to this thread in such a polite manner. I appreciate it more than you can know.
I asked the original question about whether Hitler was right of left wing for a very good reason. I have also stated that I could not care less whether he was left or right. In addition, I have asked whether the foundation of Fascism is based in either left or right wing politics. Again, I don't really care what the answer is, I just what to know what it is and then analyse whether what we are repeatedly told in schools and universities, in the newspapers and on TV, is factually accurate.
And my enquires have led me to this conclusion - Fascism (and by extension, Hitler who fits the fascist model) was born from the ultra left wing of politics.
You yourself have stated (in my selective quotation of your previous post above) that Fascism is deemed to be ultra right wing. Why is Fascism deemed to be right wing? What has lead you to believe that the ultra left wing political figure, Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini - the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party – would suddenly switch political stripes and lurch from left to right to create the political ideology we now know today as Fascism?
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It simply does not make sense. Mussolini was a socialist – his feet were firmly and deeply planted within the political left. Fascism was an ideology born from the political left and yet – and this goes right back to my original post – we are told that Fascism is a right wing creation. It isn't. It can't be. Its creator was a left wing political idealist.
Birdie; does this corroborate what you are saying? I posted it today on another thread.
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Yes, fascism is on the rise and counter-intuitively it isn't being fuelled by the likes of Donald Trump, but by the liberal left.
Example: Take so-called "multiculturalism"; force onto the indigenous people, without their consent (say the residents of Luton or Dewsbury), thousands upon thousands of foreign peoples of different ethnicities, colours and religions and watch them totally change the character of your town and when you make the slightest complaint, brand them as racists and xenophobes.
This my friends, is real fascism at work!
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Yes, fascism is on the rise and counter-intuitively it isn't being fuelled by the likes of Donald Trump, but by the liberal left.
Example: Take so-called "multiculturalism"; force onto the indigenous people, without their consent (say the residents of Luton or Dewsbury), thousands upon thousands of foreign peoples of different ethnicities, colours and religions and watch them totally change the character of your town and when you make the slightest complaint, brand them as racists and xenophobes.
This my friends, is real fascism at work!
// birdie; Please don't take offence, but as you often do (imo) you tend to view things as either black or white,//
Khandro not even the Nazis thought they had anything to do with Marxismus
whih is why the Nazi Soviet pact was such a thunderclap / call to arms.
After that it was not will there be war but when
Khandro not even the Nazis thought they had anything to do with Marxismus
whih is why the Nazi Soviet pact was such a thunderclap / call to arms.
After that it was not will there be war but when
Khandro - “... Yes, fascism is on the rise and counter-intuitively it isn't being fuelled by the likes of Donald Trump, but by the liberal left..”
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it greatly as it is a welcome break from the seemingly inexorable tirade of double-think and denial from those who embrace the lie that fascism is an invention of the political right.
The notion that fascism is on the rise is no surprise to me. The only surprise is that the left-wing totalitarians (ie. the real fascists, by definition) to whom freedom of speech is a negotiable term, and who see nothing wrong in unlimited numbers of unchecked characters entering our shores, are the ones claiming that those who oppose their ludicrous plans are all fascists.
It's projection all the way down with liberal fascists.
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it greatly as it is a welcome break from the seemingly inexorable tirade of double-think and denial from those who embrace the lie that fascism is an invention of the political right.
The notion that fascism is on the rise is no surprise to me. The only surprise is that the left-wing totalitarians (ie. the real fascists, by definition) to whom freedom of speech is a negotiable term, and who see nothing wrong in unlimited numbers of unchecked characters entering our shores, are the ones claiming that those who oppose their ludicrous plans are all fascists.
It's projection all the way down with liberal fascists.
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