The K M Links Game- April Week 3
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Have Non-Muslims Lost The Will To Fight?
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'In thirty years, France has undergone an accelerated process of Islamization.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the main Islamic movement in France, explained how Muslims living in the West have to proceed: they may use terror, they may use seduction, exploit Westerners' sense of guilt, grab public spaces, change laws, and create their own society inside Western societies until they become Muslim societies.
France used to be a country where religious neutrality in the public space was seen as an essential principle. Muslim extremists appear to be using Islamic veils and head-coverings as visible symbols to create the impression that Islam is everywhere.
Politicians claim that they respect human rights, but they seem to have forgotten the human rights of the women who do not cover up -- of those who suffer from Islamization, who are no longer free to write, think, or go for a walk on the street.
Politicians refused to "stigmatize" Islam and do not want to see the consequences: harassment, rapes, the destruction of freedom.
French journalists write under the threat of trial or assault, and almost never use the phrase "Islamic terrorism." Almost all books on Islam in French bookstores are written by Islamists or by authors praising Islam.'
[i] Guy Millière [i]
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Fiction-factory - “... Yes we can challenge the homophobia and sex discrimination in the culture and the unwillingness of many to integrate and denounce terrorism/radicalisation/jihadism...” / “... Sharia law and Islam may be inextricably linked but that is not relevant...”
I don't know on what planet you're living but on the one I reside, the intrinsic racism, violence and intolerance of Islam is obvious to all. I fail to see how a person such as yourself can quite correctly state that Sharia Law and Islam are “inextricably linked” and yet at the same time suggest that Islamic Jihad, enshrined in all Islamic documents, is somehow irrelevant.
You are displaying disturbing levels of cognitive dissonance. Violence, intolerance, racism, sexism, etc. are so tangled up in Islam that it is foolish to deny their existence in the minds of the faithful.
You say, “... Some on here claim to know everything about Islam and how to eliminate/fight it but are deluding themselves...”
I doubt that anyone on here claims to, “... know everything about Islam...”. I also doubt that those same people know how to fight Islam or eliminate it. This is a classic 'straw man' argument. You pretend to understand your opponent's argument and then quickly knock them down with a sentence or two. Oh dear. Nil points I'm afraid.
Your simplistic rhetoric and naivety will not stop me from trying to educate you. Please, check out this website. Read it and really *try* to understand it:
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When you're done with that, read the Koran itself. When you're done with that, read the Hadiths.
After having absorbed all that information, I challenge you to come back to argue that Islam is not intrinsically and inextricably linked with and scripturally promotes murder (ie. Jihad, otherwise known Islamic sanctioned death to unbelievers), religious intolerance, terrorism, slavery, rape, paedophilia and robbery.
Great name by the way – fiction-factory – fits you like a glove.
I don't know on what planet you're living but on the one I reside, the intrinsic racism, violence and intolerance of Islam is obvious to all. I fail to see how a person such as yourself can quite correctly state that Sharia Law and Islam are “inextricably linked” and yet at the same time suggest that Islamic Jihad, enshrined in all Islamic documents, is somehow irrelevant.
You are displaying disturbing levels of cognitive dissonance. Violence, intolerance, racism, sexism, etc. are so tangled up in Islam that it is foolish to deny their existence in the minds of the faithful.
You say, “... Some on here claim to know everything about Islam and how to eliminate/fight it but are deluding themselves...”
I doubt that anyone on here claims to, “... know everything about Islam...”. I also doubt that those same people know how to fight Islam or eliminate it. This is a classic 'straw man' argument. You pretend to understand your opponent's argument and then quickly knock them down with a sentence or two. Oh dear. Nil points I'm afraid.
Your simplistic rhetoric and naivety will not stop me from trying to educate you. Please, check out this website. Read it and really *try* to understand it:
https:/
When you're done with that, read the Koran itself. When you're done with that, read the Hadiths.
After having absorbed all that information, I challenge you to come back to argue that Islam is not intrinsically and inextricably linked with and scripturally promotes murder (ie. Jihad, otherwise known Islamic sanctioned death to unbelievers), religious intolerance, terrorism, slavery, rape, paedophilia and robbery.
Great name by the way – fiction-factory – fits you like a glove.
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Naomi - “Birdie, I don't think he looks at links he might not like.”
That's a massive problem with most people. They actively avoid and automatically reject information that does not confirm to their world-view, regardless of verifiable evidence.
Islam, for example, is an oppressive religion/ideology/political system. You know this and I know this. The Koran specifically and unequivocally confirms that Mohammed was a murderer, torturer, rapist, slave owner and trader, paedophile and robber. Yet most people who have not read the Islamic scriptures immediately go into denial mode whenever someone mentions these irrefutable facts. They reject out of hand the very idea that Mohammed was evil because it flies in the face of rational thought that such a character could be the figurehead of a major world religion. Very rarely do such people bother to fact-check for themselves. They are mindless automatons who parrot propaganda as if it were the truth. Sheep, in other words.
As for those muslims who know what Mohammed actually did and said and yet still proclaim him to be the “perfect man”, only goes to demonstrate the complete cognitive dissonance that Islam demands of its adherents. Mindless automatons who parrot propaganda as if it were the truth. Or sheep, in other words.
I find it darkly amusing that when I level accusations that Mohammed was a rapist, murderer, slaver, paedophile, etc. very few people argue that I am incorrect. And of those that do, they quickly vanish when Islamic scripture is quoted to them that verifies my position. In a way I miss old Keyplus. At least he had the courage of his convictions to argue his (ultimately doomed) case. Misguided and wrong though he was, at least he was a fighter.
That's a massive problem with most people. They actively avoid and automatically reject information that does not confirm to their world-view, regardless of verifiable evidence.
Islam, for example, is an oppressive religion/ideology/political system. You know this and I know this. The Koran specifically and unequivocally confirms that Mohammed was a murderer, torturer, rapist, slave owner and trader, paedophile and robber. Yet most people who have not read the Islamic scriptures immediately go into denial mode whenever someone mentions these irrefutable facts. They reject out of hand the very idea that Mohammed was evil because it flies in the face of rational thought that such a character could be the figurehead of a major world religion. Very rarely do such people bother to fact-check for themselves. They are mindless automatons who parrot propaganda as if it were the truth. Sheep, in other words.
As for those muslims who know what Mohammed actually did and said and yet still proclaim him to be the “perfect man”, only goes to demonstrate the complete cognitive dissonance that Islam demands of its adherents. Mindless automatons who parrot propaganda as if it were the truth. Or sheep, in other words.
I find it darkly amusing that when I level accusations that Mohammed was a rapist, murderer, slaver, paedophile, etc. very few people argue that I am incorrect. And of those that do, they quickly vanish when Islamic scripture is quoted to them that verifies my position. In a way I miss old Keyplus. At least he had the courage of his convictions to argue his (ultimately doomed) case. Misguided and wrong though he was, at least he was a fighter.
Birdie- I am talking about the laws of our country. Whatever is in the Koran doesn't change our laws.
But i can confirm I am not going to read the Koran or open a link I know nothing about. If you think I'm ignorant that's my prerogative.
As I am no longer taking part in any discussions involving those who constantly make jibes and try to twist whatever I say I am confident you will now stick to the issues rather than look to have a dig at someone who may take a slightly different view.
But i can confirm I am not going to read the Koran or open a link I know nothing about. If you think I'm ignorant that's my prerogative.
As I am no longer taking part in any discussions involving those who constantly make jibes and try to twist whatever I say I am confident you will now stick to the issues rather than look to have a dig at someone who may take a slightly different view.
One's preferred delusions on the other hand . . .
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FF - “... But i can confirm I am not going to read the Koran or open a link I know nothing about. If you think I'm ignorant that's my prerogative...”
The link is to a website called “Your Logical Fallacy”. Google it yourself. It is a very interesting site that explains what a logical fallacy is and how they are used to manipulate people by politicians, the media, etc. If nothing else, visiting and understanding this website will vastly expand your critical thinking abilities. Do yourself a favour and Google it, read it and absorb the info.
FF - “... As I am no longer taking part in any discussions involving those who constantly make jibes and try to twist whatever I say...”
Translation – I've lost an argument and now I don't want to participate any more. Some people on here have contrary opinions to mine and I don't like when people disagree with me. I'm not playing any more.
Shame. Discussion and robust debate are the cornerstones of demoncracy and free speech. Bow out if you like but it'll be your loss.
The link is to a website called “Your Logical Fallacy”. Google it yourself. It is a very interesting site that explains what a logical fallacy is and how they are used to manipulate people by politicians, the media, etc. If nothing else, visiting and understanding this website will vastly expand your critical thinking abilities. Do yourself a favour and Google it, read it and absorb the info.
FF - “... As I am no longer taking part in any discussions involving those who constantly make jibes and try to twist whatever I say...”
Translation – I've lost an argument and now I don't want to participate any more. Some people on here have contrary opinions to mine and I don't like when people disagree with me. I'm not playing any more.
Shame. Discussion and robust debate are the cornerstones of demoncracy and free speech. Bow out if you like but it'll be your loss.
As there still seems to be a desire to talk about me I will just point out again that I will not be discussing this topic further so you might be better off focusing on the topic rather than on other posters. I don't mind if you think I'm deluded, ignorant, I've lost n argument so I'm not playing any more, have my head in the sand, am pathetic, displaying disturbing levels of cognitive dissonance or am not as knowledgeable as those experts who share an obsession about Islam and Muslims. Enjoy.
FF - “... i said "I am no longer taking part in any discussions involving those who constantly make jibes and try to twist whatever I say...” . You, birdie and others can infer what you want...”
I don't think that anyone has tried to “twist” anything you have said. If you believe this to be the case, please post a specific example of where your words have been taken out of context, “twisted” or otherwise been misrepresented.
Also since it is demonstrably clear that you continue to be involved in this thread despite your three separate posts stating that you will no longer be contributing, I think it's safe to say that you're still interested in some kind of exchange. I do hope so. Not because I like an argument – I actually don't, despite what many on AB may think – but because I think it's important to challenge people's misconceptions about Islam.
In fact, I think it's vitally important – particularly for non-muslims to understand what the Koran and other Islamic scripture has to say about them – that they are kafir (ie. a derogatory term, similar to the “N” word, used repeatedly in all Islamic documents and often used casually in conversation even today by some muslims), their dhimmi status (ie. non-muslims have far less legal rights than muslims and are treated as second-class citizens in Islamic cultures), jizya taxes (ie. non-muslims are charged an exorbitant amount of taxation if they live in muslim controlled lands), etc., etc., etc. All of these are true examples of what Islam has in store for non-muslims.
But once again, as I always say – don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself.
I don't think that anyone has tried to “twist” anything you have said. If you believe this to be the case, please post a specific example of where your words have been taken out of context, “twisted” or otherwise been misrepresented.
Also since it is demonstrably clear that you continue to be involved in this thread despite your three separate posts stating that you will no longer be contributing, I think it's safe to say that you're still interested in some kind of exchange. I do hope so. Not because I like an argument – I actually don't, despite what many on AB may think – but because I think it's important to challenge people's misconceptions about Islam.
In fact, I think it's vitally important – particularly for non-muslims to understand what the Koran and other Islamic scripture has to say about them – that they are kafir (ie. a derogatory term, similar to the “N” word, used repeatedly in all Islamic documents and often used casually in conversation even today by some muslims), their dhimmi status (ie. non-muslims have far less legal rights than muslims and are treated as second-class citizens in Islamic cultures), jizya taxes (ie. non-muslims are charged an exorbitant amount of taxation if they live in muslim controlled lands), etc., etc., etc. All of these are true examples of what Islam has in store for non-muslims.
But once again, as I always say – don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself.
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