Note To Gareth Southgate

[andy-hughes]

Don't give penalties to young players - you couldn't handle it, neither can they!

[dannyk13]

Ken, I am not really bothered about football, being a rugby man, but have always thought that penalty shootouts is a poor way of deciding a match.

[jno]

dannyk, do you know (serious question) what the rules are for the rugby world cup final?

[dannyk13]

Jno, yes:-
//If the score is a draw after 80 minutes of regular play, an additional 20-minute period of play, called extra time, is added. If the score remains tied, an additional 10 minutes of sudden-death extra time are played, with the first team to score points immediately declared the winner.//

[dannyk13]

Jno, a fuller explanation here:-
https://www.google.com/search?q=rugby+world+cup+final+draw+at+end+of+80+minytes&client=avast-a-1&ei=xQzsYPbDLpKDhbIP7NefiAs&oq=rugby+world+cup+final+draw+at+end+of+80+minytes&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAwyBwghEAoQoAE6CAgAEOoCEI8BOgkIABBDEEYQ-QE6BQguEJECOggIABCxAxCDAToICC4QsQMQgwE6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOg0ILhCxAxCDARBDEJMCOgQIABBDOgsIABCxAxCDARCRAjoECC4QQzoFCAAQkQI6BwguELEDEEM6BQgAELEDOgIIADoKCAAQsQMQgwEQCjoHCAAQsQMQCjoECAAQCjoHCC4QQxCTAjoCCC46BQguEJMCOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgUIIRCgAUoECEEYAFDc4UNY97BFYKbMRWgCcAJ4AIAB5gGIAaAqkgEHMjguMTkuMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQrAAQE&;sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwi2upKvnd3xAhWSQUEAHezrB7EQ4dUDCA4

[Ken4155]

^
Difference there Danny is that there is only one way to score in football - putting the ball in the net. There are 3 ways (penalty kick, drop goal, try) in rugby so more chance of one occurring in the given time.
Perhaps, in football, a more radical way of settling a tied match would be to bring corners during extra time into the mix. If the score is still tied after the extra 30 mins, the team with the most number of corners awarded during this period will be deemed to be the winners. It would at the very least ensure some sort of attacking play during extra time. Then, if there are no goals and no corners, penalties.

[jno]

thanks, dannyk. Someone suggested the golden goal business higher up and the reply was that players seldom scored one, they preferred to wait for penalties. Perhaps doing away with penalties would improve their response.

I referred to the cricket world cup before. That, in my view, should have been a tie (the match score was tied and the tie-breaker was tied). A score of 1-1 does invite extra time at least, but a score of 241-241 indicates to me that you simply can't separate the teams on the pitch.

That's what happens in the Olympics: if the 10,000 metres is a dead heat, they don't force the leaders to do a 100m sprint, and they don't count back to see who took more steps, they just award them both gold medals.

It could be done, in football and in rugby. Sometimes teams play at the highest level and simply come out equal. But everyone seems to insist sport must produce a "winner" even when it doesn't.

[jim360]

How amusing that Danny's quote cuts off the very next line:

// If no team is able to break the tie during extra time, the winner is ultimately decided by a penalty shootout. //

[dannyk13]

Ken, why not count the corners in the normal 90 minutes of play.If they are equal then go to extra time.

[dannyk13]

jim 360, If you read my link it is included there.Stop the sniping'

[jim360]

No sniping intended, but I thought including the full quote explicitly is preferable to including a partial quote plus link.

[saintpeter48]

I do enjoy the penalty shoot outs, but it must be very difficult for all involved, why not after the end of 90 minutes just take off both goalkeepers and play 30 minutes extra time, if scores are still level then play on until someone scores, that would be just as exciting as the penalty shoot out.

[pixie374]

Maybe take off half the players for each side. They can't go on playing forever though. At some point, maybe they should look at the stats and fouls etc. A better decider than penalties really.
And yes, Anne, if it's inadequate as a decider, then it is for everyone, whoever wins or loses.

[douglas9401]

Fit the strikers with DRS, activated at the centre line.

[piggynose]

What The Funicular is DRS?

[andy-hughes]

bednobs - // may i suggest you change your job then - perhaps you'd like it ? Arent they all young? //

Tricky - I don't have a job, and no I would not like the job, I know nothing about football.

But knowing nothing does not prevent me from having an opinion on what i watched, and offering it on here - that's how the site works.

If everyone needed expertise to comment on something, the site would have lasted a lot less time than it has.

Ironically, when it started, I was one of the experts who did expertise in the area I was employed to monitor, but that changed a very long time ago, and now everyone is entitled to comment on anything, whether they have actual experience and knowledge, or not.

[andy-hughes]

From my limited knowledge, it does seem that penaties are unfair as a method of deciding a game.

It reduces a team sport down to an individual from ech team, which is unfair on the taker and the goalkeeper.

There seems to be a large element of luck involved, a straight fifty-fifty chance on which way the goalie will go, again that appears to be blind luck rather than skill.

As far as last night went, again from my inexpereinced eye, Rashford tried to be too clever with his run-up and paid the price for it, as did the team.

Unsatisfactory, but I would have maintained that view evern if England had won.

[douglas9401]

No use on a railway, Piggynose, but may help in the dash for goal. :-)

[NickorWan]

'As far as last night went, again from my inexpereinced eye, Rashford tried to be too clever with his run-up and paid the price for it, as did the team.'

I agree to a point with that, Andy, but did you mean to include him in your OP? I ask because he scored for England in the penalty shoot out against Columbia in the World Cup, so he is about as experienced as you can get in that sense. (Similar run up btw but a much better shot.

[andy-hughes]

Nick - // I agree to a point with that, Andy, but did you mean to include him in your OP? //

I have to confess that my OP was based on a comment from my wonderful wife who is something of an authority on the beautiful game, and advised that Southgate was 'young' when he missed his penalty.

I now stand corrected - it turns out he was 28 - my error, acknowledged.

But I do think that penalties should be taken by players with sufficient experience at least at club level to stand a chance of netting them.

[NickorWan]

25 at the time I think, but that's not young in football terms.