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The Ultimate Snowflakeism
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It's OK to flog them mercilessly round the racecourse, but to use one to sit on when it's dead - oh no that's despicable to these over-sensitive folk.
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The British Horseracing Authority said it was "appalled" by the photograph and that Elliott's behaviour "deeply undermined" the industry's welfare values. What welfare values ? ? ? ? And "welfare" implies a living creature anyway.
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The British Horseracing Authority said it was "appalled" by the photograph and that Elliott's behaviour "deeply undermined" the industry's welfare values. What welfare values ? ? ? ? And "welfare" implies a living creature anyway.
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Snowflakeism? It is you and more like you who are snowflakes, Canary. They are not 'flogged mercilessly' round the racecourse. That may well have happened yesteryear when whips were tipped with leather hoops, but, thanks to modern technology, it is no longer the case. Today's whips are foam cushioned and very lightweight and the use of them is to create sound rather than shock or pain. Can't remember which newspaper was involved, but one sent a reporter to investigate the whip and he allowed a jockey to strike him 3 times on the palm of his hand. "Hardly felt a thing", was his report.
Sitting on a dead horse really is crass but had it been done by a trainer much less prominent than Elliott, i doubt we would even have heard about it.
Sitting on a dead horse really is crass but had it been done by a trainer much less prominent than Elliott, i doubt we would even have heard about it.
Canary - // It's OK to flog them mercilessly round the racecourse ... //
Really? Have you ever tried to make a horse do something it doesn;t want to do?
Put a nervous rider on a horse and see what happens. The horse will stand there, immune to kicks, rein rattling, shouting, and even whipping if the rider was daft enough to do it.
A horse will race because it enjoys it, and if it doesn't feel like it, it will dawdle round at its own sweet pace.
I think the action, and the photo were both crass, but a simple apology should have been the end of the matter.
I don't believe that being thoughtless and being photographed doing it should result in a person losing their livelihood.
Really? Have you ever tried to make a horse do something it doesn;t want to do?
Put a nervous rider on a horse and see what happens. The horse will stand there, immune to kicks, rein rattling, shouting, and even whipping if the rider was daft enough to do it.
A horse will race because it enjoys it, and if it doesn't feel like it, it will dawdle round at its own sweet pace.
I think the action, and the photo were both crass, but a simple apology should have been the end of the matter.
I don't believe that being thoughtless and being photographed doing it should result in a person losing their livelihood.
Ok don't get me started on the outright hypocrisy of those people who claim to be animal lovers yet enjoy a 'flutter' on the horses. I am no snowflake, believe me. I've worked in the Racing Industry, ridden Point to Point and been involved in the re-training of ex racehorses.
The Racing Industry is cruel, horses are treated as commodities and as long as they are insured, they will be pushed to their limits -often over their limits -and we see the results on the racetrack. The point of this ban is that if the Trainer feels comfortable posting public photos of him sitting on a dead horse then what is he prepared to do in the Privacy of his Yard? I'm not going into the many incidents of what goes on in some of the top yards but its common knowlegde what some trainers get up to.
If an individual wants to bet on this 'sport' then its their business, it's not illegal and never will be there is too much money involved, but don't take comfort in the illusion its cruelty free and the horses actually enjoy doing it. The fact that most of the racing industry is now propped up in the UK and France by the Saudi Princes speaks volumes - its ok though because apparently, they treat their horses better than their women!
And finally (breathe) Flapping a whip at a horse in the final furlongs, when it is probably tired, is a welfare issue. The whip is only allowed to hit the horses skin 7 to 8 times in a race -why? if it does not hurt or frighten the horse why limit the number of times it can be used?
The Racing Industry is cruel, horses are treated as commodities and as long as they are insured, they will be pushed to their limits -often over their limits -and we see the results on the racetrack. The point of this ban is that if the Trainer feels comfortable posting public photos of him sitting on a dead horse then what is he prepared to do in the Privacy of his Yard? I'm not going into the many incidents of what goes on in some of the top yards but its common knowlegde what some trainers get up to.
If an individual wants to bet on this 'sport' then its their business, it's not illegal and never will be there is too much money involved, but don't take comfort in the illusion its cruelty free and the horses actually enjoy doing it. The fact that most of the racing industry is now propped up in the UK and France by the Saudi Princes speaks volumes - its ok though because apparently, they treat their horses better than their women!
And finally (breathe) Flapping a whip at a horse in the final furlongs, when it is probably tired, is a welfare issue. The whip is only allowed to hit the horses skin 7 to 8 times in a race -why? if it does not hurt or frighten the horse why limit the number of times it can be used?
Warning: This is a picture of the trainer with the dead horse -do not click the link if you will be upset by this image
The trainer is smiling - while sitting on a dead animal -yes, he should be banned from ever training racehorses again.
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The trainer is smiling - while sitting on a dead animal -yes, he should be banned from ever training racehorses again.
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APG - // Andy -when was the last time you were on a horse? Believe me if I put any rider on any of my horses and they started to shake rattle and roll they would be on the floor before you could say 'bomb proof'. //
It was years ago, sady, I love riding, but am prevented by a twisted vertebrae that would mean one days riding, six days imobile agony.
My experience, like most people, is at a riding school where horses are used to novices, and are docile and go along with different people.
That said, I have ridden horses that have been pretty feisty, and we have gone through the usual few minutes while we establish who is in charge, the horse or me, and in each case I have made it clear that we are going where I say, when I say, and how fast I say. I have seen horses bolt with scared riders on, and I seen a school owner thrown when her horse was spooked and stopped dead while galloping, and she went over his head and broke one of her femurs.
So although I don't speak from authority, I can only speak from my experience.
It was years ago, sady, I love riding, but am prevented by a twisted vertebrae that would mean one days riding, six days imobile agony.
My experience, like most people, is at a riding school where horses are used to novices, and are docile and go along with different people.
That said, I have ridden horses that have been pretty feisty, and we have gone through the usual few minutes while we establish who is in charge, the horse or me, and in each case I have made it clear that we are going where I say, when I say, and how fast I say. I have seen horses bolt with scared riders on, and I seen a school owner thrown when her horse was spooked and stopped dead while galloping, and she went over his head and broke one of her femurs.
So although I don't speak from authority, I can only speak from my experience.
APG - // Warning: This is a picture of the trainer with the dead horse -do not click the link if you will be upset by this image
The trainer is smiling - while sitting on a dead animal -yes, he should be banned from ever training racehorses again. //
I would say that the image shoots down the pathetic defence that he 'sat down to take a phone call' - when clearly he is posing with his victory sign and a stupid grin.
But I repeat stupidity is what it is, we all do stupid things, they rarely result in the loss of our livelihood. The inference that someone who is stupid is also someone who is cruel is a stretch too far in my view.
The trainer is smiling - while sitting on a dead animal -yes, he should be banned from ever training racehorses again. //
I would say that the image shoots down the pathetic defence that he 'sat down to take a phone call' - when clearly he is posing with his victory sign and a stupid grin.
But I repeat stupidity is what it is, we all do stupid things, they rarely result in the loss of our livelihood. The inference that someone who is stupid is also someone who is cruel is a stretch too far in my view.
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It's not an outright ban. The trainer has been banned in Britain temporarily while the Irish HRB carry out their investigation. It was stupid and laddish to sit on the dead horse, appalling to have a photo taken and even more stupid to post it on social media; but he hadn't killed it and he wont be banned from training.
We might not like him for it but he probably always was an egotistical oaf.
We might not like him for it but he probably always was an egotistical oaf.
Maydup - // It was stupid and laddish to sit on the dead horse, appalling to have a photo taken and even more stupid to post it on social media; //
Yet again the wonderful combination of one brain-dead idiot, another idiot with a camera, and social media, combine to ensure that what would once have been seen only by the people present, is now flashed around the world so everyone can see what a twenty-four carat numpty looks like.
Yet again the wonderful combination of one brain-dead idiot, another idiot with a camera, and social media, combine to ensure that what would once have been seen only by the people present, is now flashed around the world so everyone can see what a twenty-four carat numpty looks like.
Maydup - // Indeed Andy H.
Its like so many conversations that would have taken place in a pub or on over a cuppa in the past. They are now written as text and recorded in social media history to come back to haunt people. //
I think that people never stop to think about the consequences of social media.
Taking that picture was crass, and sharing it was monumentally stupid - but if you think about it - if someone had said to the guy, before you sit on that dead animal and flash a sign and grin, do you think it's a good idea for the whole world to see you doing it?
Then he might have thought twice - but people simply do not make that connection.
Its like so many conversations that would have taken place in a pub or on over a cuppa in the past. They are now written as text and recorded in social media history to come back to haunt people. //
I think that people never stop to think about the consequences of social media.
Taking that picture was crass, and sharing it was monumentally stupid - but if you think about it - if someone had said to the guy, before you sit on that dead animal and flash a sign and grin, do you think it's a good idea for the whole world to see you doing it?
Then he might have thought twice - but people simply do not make that connection.
// if someone had said to the guy, before you sit on that dead animal and flash a sign and grin, do you think it's a good idea for the whole world to see you doing it?//
Andy, the guys around him would be more than likely his employees and would not dare say anything. I don't know him personally, but he has the reputation for being a bit of a bully and his brattish conduct at Cheltenham is well documented. Maybe this will be a wake-up call, but as an owner I would never consider sending an animal to be trained by him, and apparently owners are leaving him in droves.
Andy, the guys around him would be more than likely his employees and would not dare say anything. I don't know him personally, but he has the reputation for being a bit of a bully and his brattish conduct at Cheltenham is well documented. Maybe this will be a wake-up call, but as an owner I would never consider sending an animal to be trained by him, and apparently owners are leaving him in droves.
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