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why every year do we have to put up with all the crap and media coverage of this disaster,surely people would prefer to grieve in peace,i know for one i would.yes,god rest their souls,but come on,give it a rest,after all it was liverpool fans that were the major factor in this tragedy.
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NORMAN:
Don't you have an on/off button or a remote control for your telly, then?
Or does the newspaper you read only contain details of this disaster, and nothing else?
Incidentally, on football disasters, what about the 66 people crushed to deathe at the Rangers v Celtic game in 1971, NORMAN? Suppose they were "only Rangers fans"?
Don't you have an on/off button or a remote control for your telly, then?
Or does the newspaper you read only contain details of this disaster, and nothing else?
Incidentally, on football disasters, what about the 66 people crushed to deathe at the Rangers v Celtic game in 1971, NORMAN? Suppose they were "only Rangers fans"?
It's difficult to get a sensible debate on Hillsbrough in this city.
If you look at the build to the tragedy outside at the turnstiles fans were climbing over the walls to get to the turnstiles, if you watch the T.V show "The Reds Abroad" a Liverpool fan says exactl what Steve has just said.
No disaster occurs due to the failure of one person and those fans who rushed the turnstiles have to shoulder some of that blame as they helped create a situation for the police to lose control of.
It was a culmination of events of which the police and some fans played a part.
At the time of writing many Liverpool fans will been at the memorial service at Anfield who rushed the gates in Athens (I know of 1 of them) I told him straight, "never talk of the 96 again" he skulked off.
That said police attitudes towards fans in those days was very poor, and the new stadia are much better.
If you look at the build to the tragedy outside at the turnstiles fans were climbing over the walls to get to the turnstiles, if you watch the T.V show "The Reds Abroad" a Liverpool fan says exactl what Steve has just said.
No disaster occurs due to the failure of one person and those fans who rushed the turnstiles have to shoulder some of that blame as they helped create a situation for the police to lose control of.
It was a culmination of events of which the police and some fans played a part.
At the time of writing many Liverpool fans will been at the memorial service at Anfield who rushed the gates in Athens (I know of 1 of them) I told him straight, "never talk of the 96 again" he skulked off.
That said police attitudes towards fans in those days was very poor, and the new stadia are much better.
123everton - people were climbing over the gates to get out of the crush outside (which I was in). That was horrendous enough so I cannot begin to think what it was like for those in those pens (luckily I went to another pen at the side, not directly behind the goal). People were in danger of dying just trying to get through the turnstiles (Liverpools ends had 23 turnstiles, Forests end had 60), yet the police were either unaware or didn't care how bad the situation was there - I saw them throwing people back out through a gate after they had climbed over the turnstiles to get out of the crush outside, even though they could show their (genuine) tickets.
The thing is I don't think that unless you were there you can even begin to understand how it still affects people. I wasn't injured, no-one I really knew (just a passing aquaintance) died yet I still have nightmares about what I witnessed that day.
The thing is I don't think that unless you were there you can even begin to understand how it still affects people. I wasn't injured, no-one I really knew (just a passing aquaintance) died yet I still have nightmares about what I witnessed that day.
Steve - you can't have it both ways, in an earlier thread you boasted that you bunked into 4 cup finals,how many other games have you stolen into?
So isn't it people like you that were responsible for the deaths at Hillsborough ?
I find it hard to comprehend the fact that you have an opinion on Hillsborough when you are as guilty as anyone !
What is the 1992 racket ?
So isn't it people like you that were responsible for the deaths at Hillsborough ?
I find it hard to comprehend the fact that you have an opinion on Hillsborough when you are as guilty as anyone !
What is the 1992 racket ?
justice for who,what justice,some old guy who lives in bournemouth,you want to put him away for 10 yrs,
no i dont hate liverpool,read the post properly.
no,i dont work for the sun,i work for the daily mail.
there were of course a lot of factors that caused this disater,poor policing,stewarding and fans rushing the gates,most of them drunk. so what justice would come out of it.
and personally,i would want to grieve in private,not on the kop or in a public event every year.
no i dont hate liverpool,read the post properly.
no,i dont work for the sun,i work for the daily mail.
there were of course a lot of factors that caused this disater,poor policing,stewarding and fans rushing the gates,most of them drunk. so what justice would come out of it.
and personally,i would want to grieve in private,not on the kop or in a public event every year.
The dog makes a sadly valid point you don't hear justice for the 39 do you.
Look at the Shields case, OK Michael did'nt do it, but in all that's been said, read, televised and broadcast, have you ever heard anyone (journalists included) say justice for Martin Georgiev in what was a cowardly attack on an innocent man?
Spudqueen, I had many friends at Hillsbrough, I was on the ale last year with a survivor from the pens who was lifted out, he said (like me) L'pool fans have to shoulder some of the blame. If you look at the news footage from outside the ground (if memory serves) it showed clearly fans climbing the wall and jumping into the turnstile area.
Forest had more turnstiles because Forest had the larger (home) end.
I'm not being partisan here, there are many people alive today who had no ticket, who rushed the turnstile, who barged into the gate, and who know they were in part responsible for what happened. They seek "justice" in a vain attempt to assuage their guilt, I don't mean you Spud.
The people who died at Hillsbrough were innocent, the had tickets and had entered the ground in good order and in plenty of time, does justice include some L'pool fans?
Look at the Shields case, OK Michael did'nt do it, but in all that's been said, read, televised and broadcast, have you ever heard anyone (journalists included) say justice for Martin Georgiev in what was a cowardly attack on an innocent man?
Spudqueen, I had many friends at Hillsbrough, I was on the ale last year with a survivor from the pens who was lifted out, he said (like me) L'pool fans have to shoulder some of the blame. If you look at the news footage from outside the ground (if memory serves) it showed clearly fans climbing the wall and jumping into the turnstile area.
Forest had more turnstiles because Forest had the larger (home) end.
I'm not being partisan here, there are many people alive today who had no ticket, who rushed the turnstile, who barged into the gate, and who know they were in part responsible for what happened. They seek "justice" in a vain attempt to assuage their guilt, I don't mean you Spud.
The people who died at Hillsbrough were innocent, the had tickets and had entered the ground in good order and in plenty of time, does justice include some L'pool fans?
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