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We have spoken about so many things, Embryology, astronomy, geology, water cycle, earth, and so many more things. I believe Quran talked about these things before scientists found out in modern time. Then I am told by few that everything Quran talks about was already known to Greeks, Hindus, Chinese and even Pagan Arabs before Muhammad (pbuh).
Now my question is that regardless of who knew before scientists in the modern age but the point is that someone already knew about all these things or had some sort of idea. So what did the modern science do? Apart from verifying what others already knew? I am not a scientist and I know this website has few big names in that field so can anyone list few things that earlier people did not know before the modern science. And I don’t want technical stuff but day to day things that all of us know.
Now my question is that regardless of who knew before scientists in the modern age but the point is that someone already knew about all these things or had some sort of idea. So what did the modern science do? Apart from verifying what others already knew? I am not a scientist and I know this website has few big names in that field so can anyone list few things that earlier people did not know before the modern science. And I don’t want technical stuff but day to day things that all of us know.
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@Keyplus - Here we go again. You speak of "modern science" as if it is an entity - well when did "modern science" begin? Science is a process, and has been around ever since our species started wondering about its environment, and speculating, observing, and experimenting, to test its ideas. This process IS science. It is no surprise, therefore, that surviving texts from cultures throughout our history will contain a record of such observations and speculations.
No one would argue or dispute this. Where you will get argument and refutation is when people like you attempt to suggest that the Quran contains ideas about the universe that either were either a) unique in their time (hint: they weren't) or b) somehow match- or even improve- our modern day understanding.
To summarise - The Quran contains no science or speculations / observations upon the world or universe that were not already widely understood or available in other, earlier or contemporary cultures. The Quran most certainly does not contain any scientific or rational theories that match or improve upon our current scientific understanding.
No one would argue or dispute this. Where you will get argument and refutation is when people like you attempt to suggest that the Quran contains ideas about the universe that either were either a) unique in their time (hint: they weren't) or b) somehow match- or even improve- our modern day understanding.
To summarise - The Quran contains no science or speculations / observations upon the world or universe that were not already widely understood or available in other, earlier or contemporary cultures. The Quran most certainly does not contain any scientific or rational theories that match or improve upon our current scientific understanding.
come on guys this is a fair question! -I dont think Keyplus is being Facetious here!
lazygun is right in that 'modern' science didnt start at some literal point but there must be plenty of examples that people can think of?
Im no scientist myself but look at the advances keplus since we discovered that we orbit the sun rather than the sun orbitting earth! We can now place ourselves much more accuaretly in the galaxy rather than believing that we were at the centre of it!(This has led to all sorts of star charts and being able to plot the age and movement of the universe!)
Also look how much further we have advanced in looking under the micrscope at bacteria and cells and genes etc. For the person that discovered these, 'modern' technology has enabled to do things in so much more dpeth that it has opened up hundreds of other areas of science.
It will always be the way there were a lot more pioneers back in the day and that nowdays we are just building on what they did. But that shouldnt take away from all the wonderous things that science has given us.
lazygun is right in that 'modern' science didnt start at some literal point but there must be plenty of examples that people can think of?
Im no scientist myself but look at the advances keplus since we discovered that we orbit the sun rather than the sun orbitting earth! We can now place ourselves much more accuaretly in the galaxy rather than believing that we were at the centre of it!(This has led to all sorts of star charts and being able to plot the age and movement of the universe!)
Also look how much further we have advanced in looking under the micrscope at bacteria and cells and genes etc. For the person that discovered these, 'modern' technology has enabled to do things in so much more dpeth that it has opened up hundreds of other areas of science.
It will always be the way there were a lot more pioneers back in the day and that nowdays we are just building on what they did. But that shouldnt take away from all the wonderous things that science has given us.
Lazy gun – I understand that science is a process. But there are so many things that earlier people did not know. As mollykins named “germs”. Sherminator talked about earth orbiting Sun instead of otherwise. Naomi’s examples are OK about Radio, tv, these are just advancements based upon other knowledge that had been discovered earlier on.
So Greeks, Arabs and others did not know about germs, and earth etc? Or they knew but could not pin point it?
So Greeks, Arabs and others did not know about germs, and earth etc? Or they knew but could not pin point it?
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The question is ludicrous. Keyplus claims that the Quran contains knowledge of every scientific discovery ever made and hopes to quantify this ridiculous notion by quoting passages which are not only vague but open to huge amounts of interpretation.
While making this claim, Keyplus admits that he has no scientific background and wants the keep the discussion non-technical. There is a reason he wants it this way; if the science is kept suitably vague, he can pluck some obscure passage out of the Quran and attempt to attribute it to some scientific discovery. In fact, the more vague, the better.
Keyplus – Show me the passage or passages in the Quran that deal with magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), ie. the technique of creating a controlled magnetic field around an object and projecting radio waves into that magnetic field to produce a three dimensional virtual reality model of said object.
Show me the passage or passages in the Quran that deal with gravitation. Show me where the Quran reveals that time passes more slowly in the presence of a high gravitational field. Show me where the Quran explains how time is relative to the observer or how your mass increases the closer you get to the speed of light.
For that matter, show me where the Quran tell us that the speed of light has a limit and what that limit is. While you're at it, show me where the Quran explains that light is bent in the presence of a high gravitational field.
I await your answer with baited breath.
While making this claim, Keyplus admits that he has no scientific background and wants the keep the discussion non-technical. There is a reason he wants it this way; if the science is kept suitably vague, he can pluck some obscure passage out of the Quran and attempt to attribute it to some scientific discovery. In fact, the more vague, the better.
Keyplus – Show me the passage or passages in the Quran that deal with magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), ie. the technique of creating a controlled magnetic field around an object and projecting radio waves into that magnetic field to produce a three dimensional virtual reality model of said object.
Show me the passage or passages in the Quran that deal with gravitation. Show me where the Quran reveals that time passes more slowly in the presence of a high gravitational field. Show me where the Quran explains how time is relative to the observer or how your mass increases the closer you get to the speed of light.
For that matter, show me where the Quran tell us that the speed of light has a limit and what that limit is. While you're at it, show me where the Quran explains that light is bent in the presence of a high gravitational field.
I await your answer with baited breath.
Keyplus – If my above post falls outside of your parameters of “... I don’t want technical stuff but day to day things that all of us know.” then this one is easy...
Show us where the Quran speaks of an artificial (ie. man-made) geostationary satellite array that provides us with a global communications network which includes (amongst others) the internet, mobile phones and sat-nav facilities.
Show us where the Quran speaks of an artificial (ie. man-made) geostationary satellite array that provides us with a global communications network which includes (amongst others) the internet, mobile phones and sat-nav facilities.
Keyplus am trying to understand your point here but agree with everyone else in that this is very vague.
As always there is revolution and evolution
The early scientists 'discovered' germs for example. Well after you have made the discovery which is the revolution in science, all you can do after that is evolve on the idea! you build on it! But thats not to say that there hasn't been some incredible work done in 'modern' science!
As always there is revolution and evolution
The early scientists 'discovered' germs for example. Well after you have made the discovery which is the revolution in science, all you can do after that is evolve on the idea! you build on it! But thats not to say that there hasn't been some incredible work done in 'modern' science!
Birdie you have that right in every respect.
Keyplus I would like to put another book into the equation - The quatrains of Nostradamus now according to the belivers this book contains every significant event in history from the time of Nostradamus to now and beyond.
However its all in a "code" so you have to be flexible in you understanding you see.
Where in the Quaran does it mention germs or the Earth orbiting the Sun or any of the other scientific discoveries mentioned here.
Keyplus I would like to put another book into the equation - The quatrains of Nostradamus now according to the belivers this book contains every significant event in history from the time of Nostradamus to now and beyond.
However its all in a "code" so you have to be flexible in you understanding you see.
Where in the Quaran does it mention germs or the Earth orbiting the Sun or any of the other scientific discoveries mentioned here.
Micro-organisms and the causes of disease
The workings of the human body (circulation of the blood, function of organs etc)
That all life is based on cells and how they operate and reproduce
That the Earth revolved about the sun, the scale of the Universe
That matter is constituted from elements that cannot be transmuted (normally)
That the Earth is billions of years old and is constantly changing, the continents drifting apart etc.
The nature of electricity and magnetism and light
Bored now let me know if you want more
The workings of the human body (circulation of the blood, function of organs etc)
That all life is based on cells and how they operate and reproduce
That the Earth revolved about the sun, the scale of the Universe
That matter is constituted from elements that cannot be transmuted (normally)
That the Earth is billions of years old and is constantly changing, the continents drifting apart etc.
The nature of electricity and magnetism and light
Bored now let me know if you want more
Try this: http://en.wikipedia.o...scoveries#8th_century
I've started the list at the 8th century, since this is the first entry after Mohammed's time. It's interesting to see what a wealth of scientific discovery came from Islamic scientists during their 'golden age'; it makes the current rejection of so much science on religious grounds in Islamic countries all the more depressing.
I've started the list at the 8th century, since this is the first entry after Mohammed's time. It's interesting to see what a wealth of scientific discovery came from Islamic scientists during their 'golden age'; it makes the current rejection of so much science on religious grounds in Islamic countries all the more depressing.
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