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Separation of Church and state
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http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1 054332007
Who the hell does this guy think he is? Was he elected by the people? I don't bloody think so.
It makes me absolutely bloody apoplectic when religious leaders assume they can dictate policy to government.
OK, no question so far but here goes, should there be a law to define the separartion between church and state?
JG (pi$$ed off)
Who the hell does this guy think he is? Was he elected by the people? I don't bloody think so.
It makes me absolutely bloody apoplectic when religious leaders assume they can dictate policy to government.
OK, no question so far but here goes, should there be a law to define the separartion between church and state?
JG (pi$$ed off)
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There is a difference - a big difference.
Not so much with the Catholic church which has been divorced from the state for nearly 500 years but with the Church of England.
They have their respresentatives sitting in the house of Lords! despite having a church-going membership that is almost invisibly small.
That needs to stop
Not so much with the Catholic church which has been divorced from the state for nearly 500 years but with the Church of England.
They have their respresentatives sitting in the house of Lords! despite having a church-going membership that is almost invisibly small.
That needs to stop
How strange! It looks like we are almost in agreement for a change!
As a Christian, and just as a voter in this democracy, I would like to see the abortion issue revisited, because I feel that the life of the unborn child is sacred. But before, or rather not to go into that issue too deeply, I have to defend the right of the Cardinal to lobby on issues as he sees fit, using his position and influence to add weight to his argument. The C.B.I. do it all of the time to lobby politicians for business interests, and the unions for workers interests, so the Cardinal is not out of order at all.
This is democracy in action. However, I strongly support Jakes observation that Church of England bishops sit in the House of Lords as of right, "Their Lords Spiritual," and yet have no democratic base for so doing. It is as anarchic as hereditary peers and should be stopped.
So jollygreen, you have raised two important issues, not one, and as a bonus, you have got Waldo, Jake, and me all in agreement on at least one of them.
And, on a seperate issue, I need lots of tea and sympathy, after having an accident in work last night, and had to go to hospital for twenty stitches in an arm wound. So all say, "Aahh .... poor thing, let's be nice to Theland."
As a Christian, and just as a voter in this democracy, I would like to see the abortion issue revisited, because I feel that the life of the unborn child is sacred. But before, or rather not to go into that issue too deeply, I have to defend the right of the Cardinal to lobby on issues as he sees fit, using his position and influence to add weight to his argument. The C.B.I. do it all of the time to lobby politicians for business interests, and the unions for workers interests, so the Cardinal is not out of order at all.
This is democracy in action. However, I strongly support Jakes observation that Church of England bishops sit in the House of Lords as of right, "Their Lords Spiritual," and yet have no democratic base for so doing. It is as anarchic as hereditary peers and should be stopped.
So jollygreen, you have raised two important issues, not one, and as a bonus, you have got Waldo, Jake, and me all in agreement on at least one of them.
And, on a seperate issue, I need lots of tea and sympathy, after having an accident in work last night, and had to go to hospital for twenty stitches in an arm wound. So all say, "Aahh .... poor thing, let's be nice to Theland."
Theland, sorry to hear about your accident old chap, trust it's improving?
Lobbying is one thing but don't you admit that the religious groups seem to have more success on their issues than other lobbysists and special interests?
Mani, mate, I'm not bashing christian groups solely, I promise. I'm talking about the separation of government and ALL religious groups...
Lobbying is one thing but don't you admit that the religious groups seem to have more success on their issues than other lobbysists and special interests?
Mani, mate, I'm not bashing christian groups solely, I promise. I'm talking about the separation of government and ALL religious groups...
No offence taken Ruby :-)
And for the record, I actually agree that the issue of abortion is a tough one. I also believe that life is worth protecting, but not when the life of a mother hangs in the balance.
I believe it's currently legal for a foetus to be terminated at 23 weeks. I also know that it's possible for a baby born at 23 weeks to live and therefore, in my opinion, an abortion at that stage is tantamount to murder...
My outrage at the article wasn't on the issue itself, it was at the suggestion that a particular religious doctrine should be used to form policy.
And for the record, I actually agree that the issue of abortion is a tough one. I also believe that life is worth protecting, but not when the life of a mother hangs in the balance.
I believe it's currently legal for a foetus to be terminated at 23 weeks. I also know that it's possible for a baby born at 23 weeks to live and therefore, in my opinion, an abortion at that stage is tantamount to murder...
My outrage at the article wasn't on the issue itself, it was at the suggestion that a particular religious doctrine should be used to form policy.
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