Our Home - The Speck Of Dust

[naomi24]

NASA has just released images of a black hole located in a distant galaxy.

It measures 40 billion km across - three million times the size of the Earth - and has been described by scientists as "a monster". The black hole is 500 MILLION TRILLION km away.

Logically, do those enormous distances not encourage the creationist fraternity to wonder if they’re mistaken? Do they not ask why, from this whole unimaginably vast universe, a creator God would have selected this minute speck of dust located somewhere near the outer reaches of a fairly minor galaxy – just one of an estimated 2000 billion galaxies each containing billions of stars – as home to his beloved(?) creation – man?

Personally, I cannot believe we’re that special. What say you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47873592

[naomi24]

No, spath.

[spathiphyllum]

So you don't feel like mankind has a bit too much sense of self importance?

[naomi24]

No, spath.

[spathiphyllum]

Interesting.. I would personally disagree, but we need not get into it further.

[naomi24]

I thought you were against tarring everyone with the same brush.

[spathiphyllum]

I am but spiders have 8 legs, bats have wings and a human can only think from a humans perspective.

[naomi24]

What's a human perspective? If we all thought from the same perspective we would never disagree.

[Khandro]

Following on from spicerack 9:31;
We should be honoured to have such very clever people here on AB, in fact some who are cleverer than some of the World's most amazing minds;
e.g. Albert Einstein "I want to know how God created this world"

Heisenberg; "I have repeatedly pondered on the relationship of science and religion, for I have never been able to deny the reality to which they point."

Schodinger; "Science is reticent when it comes to a question of the great unity of which we somehow form a part. The popular name for it is God."

I also personally subscribe to what Woody Allen said; 'I'm astounded by people who want to "know" the universe when it's hard enough to find your way around Chinatown".

[naomi24]

Khandro, why do you only ever to appear to think other people’s thoughts – and selectively at that?

[mibn2cweus]

The very presumption that existence was created rules out the existence of a creator.

[naomi24]

When I say 'selectively, Khandro, this is what I mean:

// I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it//
Albert Einstein.

Why didn't you choose that to post?

[naomi24]

Hello mibs. :o)

[mibn2cweus]

Ya at eeh, Naomi :o)

[nailit]

What gets me, is that the Bible writers knew nothing of the vastness of the universe. Their cosmology consisted of a domed, flat earth....and that's it!
You would think that an omniscient, omnipotent God would have at least gave his biographers a hint about the sheer size of his creation.
But nah! The Earth stands on pillars, is immovable, covered by a dome, stars can fall to Earth, the sun can stand still, heaven is just above the clouds, the moon gives out its own light etc.
What a croc...

[Khandro]

naomi; almost everything Einstein wrote was in German. Here's another translation;

"there is harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, yet there are people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me to support such views [I think he may be talking to you here naomi] .... he continues, " Every scientist becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of man"

[Theland]

God loves each and every one of us.
That makes us special in all of His creation.

[Theland]

Nailit - wrong again.

[Theland]

Mibs would you expand on that assertion?

Naomi - Why would vast unimaginable distances cause a creationist to doubt?

[mibn2cweus]

Existence is primary. Everything about it follows from that; identity, consciousness, knowledge, reason. Everything is presupposed by existence and apart from that there is nothing. Nothing to be conscious of, nothing to be conscious with, no means or process for acquiring knowledge, understanding or creativity. Existence was not created. Existence is what gives rise to and makes anything and everything else that is, possible . . . no exception.

[Theland]

Mibs - I don't follow, but want to.
So are you saying existence is an independent objective entity? How does that work? Where is its origin, it's cause?
Really trying to understand this concept.