European Secularism?

[Khandro]

Can European Secularism Provide a Sufficient Bulwark Against Islamic Encroachment?

[atalanta]

If you mean islam-based terrorism, the only defence is up-to-date, well-funded security services, supported by constant vigilance.
If you mean encroachment of the religion of Islam, the only defence is education in the very broadest sense.

[Khandro]

Yes, I suppose the new word is, "Islamification", how do you see 'education' working to prevent it?

[atalanta]

Don't teach religion in schools, just teach logic, reasoning and philosophy.

[Khandro]

// just teach logic, reasoning and philosophy.// It has been tried before, from ancient Greece to the USSR, it always fails because it isn't enough.
As Michel Houellebecq has said, No society can exist for long without religion, and the vacuum created by the burgeoning secularism in Europe promoted by the liberal left and atheism is quickly being filled by Islam. Even now, it may be too late to prevent this.

[-Talbot-]

atalanta
Don't teach religion in schools, just teach logic, reasoning and philosophy.


And don't build any more building for religious purposes.

[Khandro]

How do you think the studying of logic can kerb the Islamification of Europe?

[naomi24]

Khandro, what's your solution?

[Khandro]

naomi; // what's your solution?//
There is no simple answer, as an individual, all one can do is open as much dialogue with as many people as possible and vote for parties which are addressing the issue.
The church is behaving abysmally, always trying to appease. I think if its founder were here today, he would have more robust attitude in the light of the fact that according to a report submitted to the US State Department, up until 2014 at least, 1,131 Christians - identified by name and place of death - have been murdered by radical Muslims calling themselves the Islamic state, and last night more than a thousand Muslims marched through the streets of London, blocking off Belgrave Square and demanding sharia law in the UK.

[Khandro]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743825/1000-Muslims-close-London-streets-chant-Allahu-Akbar-demand-Islamic-caliphate

[naomi24]

Khandro, The west’s penchant for ‘tolerance’ is the divisive factor here. We are tolerant to our own detriment.

//I think if its founder were here today, he would have more robust attitude//

Not sure what you think St Paul would have done.

[Khandro]

naomi; //Not sure what you think St Paul would have done.// You're quite right, of course, I shouldn't have used the word 'founder' when I was thinking of J.C. himself.
If you were to go to ;
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question1526013-2.html

and listen to the reading of G.K.Chesterton's essay which I posted at 11:10 Mon. 12 Dec. ( I really wish you would :0) He talks about the plurality within Christianity - warriors and peacekeepers.
It's about his own journey from paganism to Christianity and he doesn't (as ever) proselytize.
I would welcome your thoughts.

[andy-hughes]

Please do listen Naomi - you are adjudged the only person on here who is not too thick to understand the message - then you and Khandro can debate it, so we don't have to.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, was that really necessary? No surprise that threads you're involved in so often turn nasty.

Khandro, I'll listen when I have time.

[naomi24]

Khandro, is this it in written form?

http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Gilbert_K_Chesterton/Orthodoxy/The_Paradoxes_of_Christianity_p1.html

If so, I prefer to read it. Much quicker.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - my response refers back to Khandro stating on another thread that everyone with the exception of your good self suffered from ADD - a comment removed for its offensiveness.

My response is not nasty, it is factual - that is what Khandro said, advising that you should read his link and advise the rest of us what it meant.

I for one will not be reading any observations you may choose to offer, but feel free to educate anyone else who is interested.

[-Talbot-]

Andy, If I have this right ... You are talking about a removed answer?

Is it ok to talk about removed answers and threads so long as it isn't mentioned in the OP?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //I for one will not be reading any observations you may choose to offer, but feel free to educate anyone else who is interested. //

Ok. Bye bye.

[Khandro]

naomi; yes that's the text. I have it in the Bodley head, G.K.Chesterton Anthology, selected by P.J. Kavanagh.