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Koran ( Episode Two)

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atalanta | 23:19 Sat 28th Nov 2015 | Religion & Spirituality
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all of those souls who recently advised me on a choice of edition of the Koran will be delighted to hear that I have received a copy, free, from a bunch of ( shall we say ) Muslim enthusiasts in New Street in Birmingham today while I was shopping. But why do you suppose their leader was so suspicious of my motives ?
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Hypo- Anyone who would read 9:5 would have already read what is before that and then would read all of 9:5 and would not stop where your “given words” stop and then he would go on to read the following 9:6 and 9:7 and so on. I believed that to be common sense, but then again that’s a common mistake people make when they just copy and paste someone else’s words.
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I will cut the long story short for you. It does not say the disbelievers. It says that slay the disbelievers (or anyone in that case) who tries killing you in the battle.

If you were with unarmed 313 people facing a heavily armed 1000 or even more who are there to kill each and everyone of you and their record shows that they would not show any mercy then let me know what would you say to your people?
Keyplus -

I admire your attempts to paint Islam in a good light. But you're fighting a losing battle because the Islamic texts are stacked against you. For example, let's talk about 'The Battle of the Trench':


"He brought down some of the People of the Book [the Jews] out of their fortresses to aid the confederates and to strike terror into their hearts. Some you killed, and others you took captive. He made you heirs of their land, their homes, and their possessions, and even gave you another land
on which you had never before set foot. Allah has power over everything." [Koran 33:26]

Bukhari has this to say about it:
"When some of the remaining Jews of Medina agreed to obey a verdict from Saed, Mohammed sent for him. He approached the mosque riding a donkey and Mohammed said, “Stand up for your leader.” Mohammed then said, “Saed, give these people your verdict.” Saed replied, “Their soldiers should be beheaded, and their women and children should become slaves.”. Mohammed, pleased with the verdict, said, “You have made a ruling that Allah or a king would approve of.” [B5,58,148]


This story reveals that the Jewish men were ordered to dig their own graves. That night, all the men and young boys (who numbered around 800) were beheaded under the watchful eye of Mohammed and his child wife. Any boy who hadn't yet hit puberty was spared and forced to convert to Islam under the threat of death. The spoils were then divided up, with Mohammed taking his usual 20 percent. The rest was divvied up amongst his jihadists. The surviving women were sold as sex slaves. Not all the Jewish women were murdered - one of them, Rayhana Lady Amr, was apparently so beautiful that Mohammed 'took' her for himself (ie. he made her his slave and raped her).


Keyplus, you know the above story. You must do. Don't Mohammed's actions strike you as being utterly despicable? The wanton execution of people who have been defeated? The needless murder of hundreds of people? The enslavement of women? Rape?

What part of this story do you find uplifting? What part of this story do you think makes Mohammed look merciful and inspirational?
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Keyplus

Come on man! Defend your religion. Defend your Prophet. Defend his reputation! Stand up for the man you regard as perfect and tell the world why I am wrong.

Why have you gone silent?
@keyplus90

Cut & paste can be used to cruel effect, yes. Such as:-

//It does not say the disbelievers. It says that slay the disbelievers //

…where you contradict yourself within the span of a few words.

So, to play fair: -

//I will cut the long story short for you. It does not say the disbelievers. It says that slay the disbelievers (or anyone in that case) who tries killing you in the battle. //

The word "disbelievers" is entirely redundant and saying "if someone tries to kill you in battle then kill them" is just a statement of the very *very* obvious, unless you're only there in expectation of a wrestling contest or some martial arts.

Why is disbelief such a big deal for the prophet? Why won't Islam just live and let live? Why is a visual depiction of him worthy of the death penalty? Why not let Salman Rushdie be some obscure author no Westerner had ever heard of?

I mention that last one because that was the point at which Muslims ceased to be benign.

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