A question for Muslim men: why virgins?

[chakka35]

I’m not talking just about the 72 virgins (actually white raisins) promised to suicide bombers as a reward for their murderous atrocities. I gather that ordinary law-abiding Muslim men require their brides to be virgins too and can divorce them on their wedding night if they turn out not to be so.

What is the appeal of the virgin?

It cannot be virginity itself since that soon disappears. I can’t help thinking (and I would be happy to be proved wrong) that it has nothing to do with love or even sex but is a matter of possession. The man insists on knowing that he is the first to ‘possess’ the woman and will not have her if he has already been ‘possessed’ by another man. Is this so? If not, what is it?

(On a frivolous note, give me an experienced woman every time. I go along with Professor Harold Hill, played so brilliantly by Robert Preston in “The Music Man”, who sings:

“I flinch, I shy, when the lass with the delicate air goes by.
I smile, I grin, when the gal with a touch of sin walks in”.)

But the question itself is meant seriously.

[keyplus90]

///Keyplus, so a female slave who is raped by her Muslim 'master' is a 'bad' girl according to you but not according to the koran. Explain please.////

No one is talking about anyone who has been raped. Perhaps you should read my earlier post again.

////Does this ban on 'sleeping around' apply to men too////

In few words yes it does. But I know you would not accept my words because that is part of your mission. And for that reason I would not waste more time on that.

I do understand what adultery means or perhaps you can add one more word here and that is fornication. Because I know that in your mind adultery only starts once you are married and are unfaithful.

Having said that if someone stops and regrets about what they might have done in the past and would like to turn their life around then I do not (and should not) care about their past and even that is exactly according to my religion which is Islam.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //But I know you would not accept my words because that is part of your mission. And for that reason I would not waste more time on that. //

Ha ha! My mission? What would that be then? I'm not surprised you don't want to waste your time on that. The truth is not so savoury, is it.

[ummmm]

It was actually on TV yesterday. Adultery is sexual intercourse with someone other than your husband/wife. If it's not full intercourse then it's infidelity. It's also considered infidelity if you are not married but in a partnership. So in the eyes of the law gay people cannot commit adultery.

[sir.prize]

keyplus90 - ok your religion is Islam. That is not an issue. However, you always join in these religious discussions. Have you noticed, as they gradually fizzle out after numerous posts, your views are disregarded because mostly they are a load of old 'tosh'. Sorry - but it's true.

[jomifl]

Keyplus, do you understand what rape is?

[chakka35]

sir.prize - It is now some years since I discovered that keyplus lives in a mental state all of his own and is quite incapable of answering straight questions. (You will notice that he does not answer my question about possession.) You just have to accept his eccentricities and ignore them and him.

Any rational muslims with an answer?

Meanwhile, I'm trying to imagine our naomi as a missionary. No... no... doesn't work.

[naomi24]

Tut! Can't think what he means. ;o)

[birdie1971]

Keyplus - “... Because that shows that this women [a woman who has sex before she is married] is of bad character and no one (in his right mind) would like to have mother of his children who used to sleep around...”

You are so outrageously blinkered in your beliefs that you honestly seem to think that a woman who has had sexual relations (even once) before she was married is automatically of “... bad character...” and this is a 'condition' that she is forever guilty of and will be forever burdened with. I won't bother to ask whether or not you are really being serious because I know that you are.

The language you use when speaking about woman and wives is very telling too. It's so casually misogynistic that I don't think you're even aware that you're doing it. For example, you specifically use the words, “... the mother of HIS children...” [my emphasis]. You also quite casually assume that a wife is there to produce offspring for her husband - as if that is the 'point' of a wife.

With every post you place on this website Keyplus, you further demonstrate that you are both intolerant, misogynistic and ignorant.

If you are representative of your religion then both you and Islam worry me a great deal.

[beso]

Keyplus. You have insulted my wife, my daughter and my daughter-in-law by claiming they are of bad character.

I don't have a problem with their sexual past and present and quite frankly it is absolutely none of the business of you, your religion or any other.

You are clearly a person of very bad character and this is an objective judgement, not one based on the rantings of an ancient, arrogant, ignorant misogynist.

Reading your post here and the posts of other muslims across the internet has done much to reveal the fundamentally fascist nature of your faith.

[chakka35]

birdie and beso - well said, both of you. Keyplus, alas, is one of those who thinks that the requirements of his religion outweigh any normal need to be civil and courteous. Which is one of the many reasons I stopped engaging with him a long time ago. To do so brings nothing but exasperation.

[Brenden]

He does not have to be civil or courteous chakka - we are infidels - who can be lied to, cheated and destroyed - all in the name of allah.

[keyplus90]

I can see how many people have ignored me here.

[sir.prize]

Do yourself a favour, keyplus. Reassess yourself or move on.

[DaisyNonna]

Keyplus. A woman has regrets about past actions and still gets stoned to death?

[naomi24]

I don't see why she should be stoned to death even if she has no regrets - it's her body, so what gives anyone else the right to tell her what she should do with it - or to condemn her for making her own choices?

And Keyplus - Sir.Prize is right. Get over yourself for goodness sake! You make yourself more of a fool with every post!

[jomifl]

Keyplus, I never ignore your posts, they never cease to be an education to me.

[mike11111]

PMSL at the thought of Mohammedan martyrs confronted with Catholic nuns. It would take a hell of a lot of semtex to blow those legs open!

[birdie1971]

↑ :-)

[birdie1971]

Keyplus - “... I can see how many people have ignored me here...”

No one is ignoring you Keyplus – only small minded, childish people refuse to engage with those who disagree with them on a public website.

Contrary to your statement, it would appear that many people are not ignoring you. Nor are they ignoring your glaringly misogynistic and intolerant post of '22:28 Tue 21st Aug 2012'.

[naomi24]

Birdie, from Keyplus //I can see how many people have ignored me here//

I think that's Keyplus’ idea of witty sarcasm. In order to confirm to himself what he perceives as his personal success and popularity, he counts the total posts, you know - even on other people's threads. ;o)