A question for Christians

[naomi24]

You're told Jesus died for you personally because God loves you, and this appalling death was necessary in order for your sins to be forgiven. Of course, God is omnipotent, apparently, so we cannot possibly believe there was no other way, but that aside, I would hate to think that someone deliberately planned to torture and execute a man on my behalf, so given a choice, would you have allowed it to happen?

[RATTER15]

"Jesus did not die on the cross and it can be proven from Bible."

"Proven" how is this then Keyplus, I cant wait?

[keyplus90]

Read Bible properly and you would learn. However if someone out of usual suspects would ask the same question and would sound interested instead of wasting time then I would prove.

However I myself do not need prove from Bible. For me Quran is enough and it is written there very clearly.

[RATTER15]

Keyplus, look in the dictionary for the meaning of the word "proven"

You will find very little proof of anything in the Bible lol :-)

[keyplus90]

Ok just an afterthought, here you go it did not waste my time. But do listen and watch with Bible in your hand so you can cross reference it.

http://video.google.c...=-2294876665735364519

http://video.google.c...=-5283623989368520963

[RATTER15]

This obviously also applies to your Koran!

Just words and lies!!

[RATTER15]

Keyplus, I accept that English may not be your first language that is why I suggest you look up "proof" in the dictionary.

[keyplus90]

Didn't I say that it would be waste of time with you. Then according to you neither God nor Jesus exists then why don't you leave this question? Or you just can't help it?

[RATTER15]

The fact that something is written in the Bible is proof of absolutely nothing Keyplus.

So you think I should leave this thread because I don't believe in the Jesus or God, maybe you should also leave as the question is addressed to Christians.

[keyplus90]

And How exactly do you describe a Christian?

[RATTER15]

Not a Muslim!

[cupid04]

Gospel of John [chapter19 verses 33-37] But when they came to Jesus and
found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs, Instead one of
the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood
and water. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true.
He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you may also believe.
These things happened so that thescripture would be fulfilled: Not one of his
bones will be broken, and as another scripture says, They will look on the one
they have pierced.

The Romams were experienced soldiers. They knew from many previous
crucifixions whether a man was dead or alive. There was no question that
Jesus was dead, when they checked him, so they decided not to break his legs
as they had done to the other victims. Piercing his side and seeing the sudden flow of blood and water [indicating that the sac surrounding the heart and the
heart itself had been pierced] was further proof of his death. Some people
say Jesus didn't really die, that he only fainted and that's how he came back to
life. But we have the witness of an impartial party, the Roman soldiers, that
Jesus died on the cross.

[mickrog]

the accounts were written years later. If you line up 20 people and tell the first person something and tell him to pass it on ....by the time it reached the 20th person the original story would be quite different......that is how the bigest work of fiction,the bible, came about imo

[keyplus90]

So anyone who is not a Muslim is Christian?

[tommy-h]

W

[RATTER15]

"And How exactly do you describe a Christian?"

Gullible beyond belief!!

[tommy-h]

Wot a lot of bundersnatches nobody believes the bible now shirley

[keyplus90]

///Gullible beyond belief!!///

I believe that you are gullible. Are you Christian then?

[keyplus90]

And then according to your own definition.

Christian is the one who is not Muslim, and then ne who is gullible is Christian. That mean the one who is not gullible is not Christian. So according to your own definition I am not gullible because I am Muslim. Is that right?

[tommy-h]

i only meant that nowadays we have the freedom to express our own opinions.

[ll_billym]

Hmmm Jesus... I do feel a bit sorry for the bloke really, a bit of a show off and obviously had the gift of the gab but his heart was in the right place. Problem was that the Romans were in charge and didn't like somebody else gaining a bit of a following so he had to get slapped down. A bit harsh stringing him up like that, but he knew he must've had it coming, and to be fair, everybody loves a good martyr and he ended up being famous which in those days was a lot harder than it is now, and, seeing as it happened, well, it may as well have been for the sins of all mankind as anything else so at least a little bit of fake good came out of the whole sorry episode.