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When Do You Think We Will Be Back To Life As A Whole?
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By which I mean when do you think a time will be where schools, pubs, restaurants, cinemas, hairdressers, gyms, offices, holidays, weddings, parties and everything else will resume service as close to normal as possible? I have been told by a friend it is looking to be 2022 .... am starting to lose the plot a bit tbh! Anyone care to share their opinion?
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I emailed my friend in Australia (Melbourne) and they are doing so so well - no Covid there at all. Apparently when people fly in they are locking them for 14 or 10 days whatever.
This is what should have happened last March - absolutely no flights - nothing, nil and zilch movement of traffic, air, land or sea.
This is what should have happened last March - absolutely no flights - nothing, nil and zilch movement of traffic, air, land or sea.
//With hindsight we should of quarantined all those coming back...//
It would have been impossible. The numbers were simply too great. In any case, the idea that the spread in the UK could have been prevented by banning incomers is a red herring. By the time it was realised there was a problem the disease had already gained a good foothold here. Mrs NJ and I returned to the UK on 22nd February when there had been just nine officially recorded cases. But with the considerable benefit of hindsight it is obvious that the disease had become well established here by then. In fact the first death, it is now suggested, occurred on 31st January, some five weeks before the official first death on March 5th. It cannot be a serious contention that Mrs NJ and I (together with the tens of thousands of other arrivals) should have been either denied entry or quarantined on that date. As an aside we were both quite ill for a spell soon after our return and looking at what we know now, we may well have had Covid as we had many of the symptoms. We just thought we'd caught something on the aircraft.
The government cannot be criticised for not locking the country down and imposing draconian border controls. That cannot and should not be done at the drop of a hat.
It would have been impossible. The numbers were simply too great. In any case, the idea that the spread in the UK could have been prevented by banning incomers is a red herring. By the time it was realised there was a problem the disease had already gained a good foothold here. Mrs NJ and I returned to the UK on 22nd February when there had been just nine officially recorded cases. But with the considerable benefit of hindsight it is obvious that the disease had become well established here by then. In fact the first death, it is now suggested, occurred on 31st January, some five weeks before the official first death on March 5th. It cannot be a serious contention that Mrs NJ and I (together with the tens of thousands of other arrivals) should have been either denied entry or quarantined on that date. As an aside we were both quite ill for a spell soon after our return and looking at what we know now, we may well have had Covid as we had many of the symptoms. We just thought we'd caught something on the aircraft.
The government cannot be criticised for not locking the country down and imposing draconian border controls. That cannot and should not be done at the drop of a hat.
It's generally accepted that imposing travel restrictions on their own is more or less pointless unless you do it pre-emptively, because the motivation to close the borders is usually after the disease has arrived rather than before. On the other hand, maintaining open borders and waiting for the disease to spread freely before doing anything at all beyond just watching has had devastating and tragic consequences.
The real problem is that the UK didn't have the ability at the start to do much at all to track the disease, which means that in February/March the only options were drastic. Lockdown is a very blunt instrument -- ditto closing the borders, and even the idea of mass quarantines is tricky. In that sense I agree with NJ that at the start not much more could have been done. On the other hand, that's still a failing, and hopefully the UK* will learn in future to be able to take swift action in order to stop or severely reduce the spread of any future pandemics, which will include being able to set up border health screenings or the like.
*This is not a UK-specific failing, I hasten to add -- but we could still do with learning it.
The real problem is that the UK didn't have the ability at the start to do much at all to track the disease, which means that in February/March the only options were drastic. Lockdown is a very blunt instrument -- ditto closing the borders, and even the idea of mass quarantines is tricky. In that sense I agree with NJ that at the start not much more could have been done. On the other hand, that's still a failing, and hopefully the UK* will learn in future to be able to take swift action in order to stop or severely reduce the spread of any future pandemics, which will include being able to set up border health screenings or the like.
*This is not a UK-specific failing, I hasten to add -- but we could still do with learning it.
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it isnt like measles ( R around 12), but the silent carriers and long time to Hospital ( 10d)
has given it edge ...
and yes there is covid in Oz, and four hundred were positive before the first case was diagnosed ( but that does not mean that the R number was 400)
PP what has that to do with population/country size, weather and lifestyle?
it isnt like measles ( R around 12), but the silent carriers and long time to Hospital ( 10d)
has given it edge ...
and yes there is covid in Oz, and four hundred were positive before the first case was diagnosed ( but that does not mean that the R number was 400)
PP what has that to do with population/country size, weather and lifestyle?
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