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How long is Farage going to continue to do Boris impressions and dither about whether to take a stab at Westminster ? We all know he will, so why doesn't he stop faffing around and just get on with it ?
Wouldn't it be wonderfully entertaining if both Boris and Farage were to contest the same seat in Uxbridge !
How long is Farage going to continue to do Boris impressions and dither about whether to take a stab at Westminster ? We all know he will, so why doesn't he stop faffing around and just get on with it ?
Wouldn't it be wonderfully entertaining if both Boris and Farage were to contest the same seat in Uxbridge !
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Baldric....
Thanet South in 2010 :::
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Its a natural Tory seat, by the look of it, so he may have his work cut out.
Thanet South in 2010 :::
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Its a natural Tory seat, by the look of it, so he may have his work cut out.
His work may not be quite so cut out as you think, Mikey.
Thanet is one of the most deprived areas in the south east. It suffers high levels of unemployment and faces considerable challenges brought about by immigration. In May's elections UKIP gained seven of the eight Kent council seats in Thanet, all but wiping out the Tories in the area. There is huge disaffection with all the mainstream parties in many coastal areas of the country and voters in east Kent in particular feel that none of the main parties will do much to help their plight.
Of course (and to save you saying it) a General election is an entirely different beast to local council elections, but Thanet South is by no means safe Tory territory. The seat was held by Jonathon Aitken from its creation in 1983 until 1997 and then by Stephen Ladyman for Labour until 2010 but during the Labour years their majority was not that strong (in 2005 Mr Ladyman scraped in by just 664 votes). Laura Sandys (who is standing down in 2015) won with a majority of 5,500 but that was when the electorate who voted Conservative had high hopes of a Conservative government.
Time will tell if Mr Farage (a) stands in Thanet and (b) wins the seat. But it will be an interesting test.
Thanet is one of the most deprived areas in the south east. It suffers high levels of unemployment and faces considerable challenges brought about by immigration. In May's elections UKIP gained seven of the eight Kent council seats in Thanet, all but wiping out the Tories in the area. There is huge disaffection with all the mainstream parties in many coastal areas of the country and voters in east Kent in particular feel that none of the main parties will do much to help their plight.
Of course (and to save you saying it) a General election is an entirely different beast to local council elections, but Thanet South is by no means safe Tory territory. The seat was held by Jonathon Aitken from its creation in 1983 until 1997 and then by Stephen Ladyman for Labour until 2010 but during the Labour years their majority was not that strong (in 2005 Mr Ladyman scraped in by just 664 votes). Laura Sandys (who is standing down in 2015) won with a majority of 5,500 but that was when the electorate who voted Conservative had high hopes of a Conservative government.
Time will tell if Mr Farage (a) stands in Thanet and (b) wins the seat. But it will be an interesting test.
You may be right NJ. The immigration issue is, of course, the main reason why Farage may stand in this constituency. He is hardly going to go for a seat where there is racial harmony is he !
But UKIP didn't do very well in the 2010 General Election, polling just 5.5% on a 65% turn-out. Its a lot of ground to make up, even taking into consideration the immigration and xenophobia issues.
But UKIP didn't do very well in the 2010 General Election, polling just 5.5% on a 65% turn-out. Its a lot of ground to make up, even taking into consideration the immigration and xenophobia issues.
Just to widen the debate a bit and since the "loonies and fruitcakes" issue has reared its head again (but this time in the guise of "the unhinged") I thought I'd take a glance at some of UKIP's policies:
- Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours.
- Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU.
- Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it.
- A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits.
- Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK.
- Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies.
- Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund.
- UKIP will abolish inheritance tax.
- Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous.
- No cuts to front line policing.
- Make sentences mean what they say.
- No votes for prisoners
- Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon.
- Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system.
- Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.
- Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally.
- Allow the creation of new grammar schools.
- Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years.
I happen to agree with just about all of the above. Does that make me unhinged? Or is there more to it than that? If it does make me liable to Sectioning under the Mental Health Act perhaps I could be told why because as far as I can see the lunacy surrounds those who advocate the opposite to UKIP's proposals.
- Free trade, but not political union, with our European neighbours.
- Regain control of our borders and of immigration - only possible by leaving the EU.
- Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it.
- A points-based visa system and time-limited work permits.
- Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK.
- Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies.
- Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas - place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund.
- UKIP will abolish inheritance tax.
- Make cuts to foreign aid that are real and rigorous.
- No cuts to front line policing.
- Make sentences mean what they say.
- No votes for prisoners
- Prevent foreign criminals entering the UK - by re-introducing border controls that the EU forced us to abandon.
- Scrap the European Arrest Warrant, which sends British citizens to foreign jails without evidence, just to answer questions - replace it with a proper extradition system.
- Remove the UK from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights.
- Prioritise social housing for people whose parents and grandparents were born locally.
- Allow the creation of new grammar schools.
- Make welfare a safety net for the needy, not a bed for the lazy. Benefits only available to those who have lived here for over 5 years.
I happen to agree with just about all of the above. Does that make me unhinged? Or is there more to it than that? If it does make me liable to Sectioning under the Mental Health Act perhaps I could be told why because as far as I can see the lunacy surrounds those who advocate the opposite to UKIP's proposals.
Of course it doesn't make you unhinged NJ...what a thought ! What would we do without you here, if you were banged up in the loony bin ? There are some on here I would gladly put away but not you.
I really can't be bothered to check the data but if everything you say is true, why don't UKIP have any MPs yet ? Surely we should be knee-deep in them by now ?
Can I repeat that UKIP got just 5.5% of the vote in Thanet South, in 2010, thus narrowly missing losing their deposit. If Farage wants to keep his deposit again, and even maybe win, he has a long way to go it would seem.
I really can't be bothered to check the data but if everything you say is true, why don't UKIP have any MPs yet ? Surely we should be knee-deep in them by now ?
Can I repeat that UKIP got just 5.5% of the vote in Thanet South, in 2010, thus narrowly missing losing their deposit. If Farage wants to keep his deposit again, and even maybe win, he has a long way to go it would seem.
Its not UKIP's policies that are the trouble NJ !
Its the Members, as you well know. It would be far too tiresome to go over all the daft and amusing things that Farage's troops have committed in his name, but they appear to be endless. Even when he insisted that all candidates sign a " I am not a Loony" declaration, they still continued to crawl out from underneath the woodwork.
What UKIP needs to make the transition from an amusing little side show, into a fully fledged political party is to be more discerning in it choice of candidates.
I am on record on here as feeling a tad sorry for Mr Farage, as controlling his Party must be akin to herding cats.
Its the Members, as you well know. It would be far too tiresome to go over all the daft and amusing things that Farage's troops have committed in his name, but they appear to be endless. Even when he insisted that all candidates sign a " I am not a Loony" declaration, they still continued to crawl out from underneath the woodwork.
What UKIP needs to make the transition from an amusing little side show, into a fully fledged political party is to be more discerning in it choice of candidates.
I am on record on here as feeling a tad sorry for Mr Farage, as controlling his Party must be akin to herding cats.
Here it is Jomlett :::::
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I'm now waiting for someone to come on here and tell me that UKIP are not, as in dave's words, fruitcakes, loonies and closet-racists.
Mr Etheridge, the jaw-droppingly idiotic MEP that told the UKIP Youth Wing that Hitler was to be admired, is a senior representative of the Party. So many AB contributors owned up to voting UKIP in the recent Euro Elections, some of them presumably in this mans constituency of the West Midlands.
Are any of those supporters now going to admit that they might have voted for a loony ?
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I'm now waiting for someone to come on here and tell me that UKIP are not, as in dave's words, fruitcakes, loonies and closet-racists.
Mr Etheridge, the jaw-droppingly idiotic MEP that told the UKIP Youth Wing that Hitler was to be admired, is a senior representative of the Party. So many AB contributors owned up to voting UKIP in the recent Euro Elections, some of them presumably in this mans constituency of the West Midlands.
Are any of those supporters now going to admit that they might have voted for a loony ?
UKIP unrepentant and continues to support this idiot ! ::::
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I am not sure what other proof that people will need, that a vote for UKIP is a daft move.
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I am not sure what other proof that people will need, that a vote for UKIP is a daft move.
Mikey, //Mr Etheridge, the jaw-droppingly idiotic MEP that told the UKIP Youth Wing that Hitler was to be admired//
How disingenuous. Why do you post as though no one else can read? What he actually suggested was that the audience should take their oratorical tips from ‘a hateful figure who achieved a great deal’.
Do you write for the Daily Mail?
How disingenuous. Why do you post as though no one else can read? What he actually suggested was that the audience should take their oratorical tips from ‘a hateful figure who achieved a great deal’.
Do you write for the Daily Mail?
Then try reading this then Naomi...quote from the BBC Link ::
According to the Mail on Sunday, Bill Etheridge described the Nazi dictator as a "magnetic and forceful" performer who "achieved a great deal".
Hitler achieved a great deal apparently. Well, you can't really fault him there I suppose ......millions of people dead, nearly achieving a genocide, etc, etc. What a wonderful person to impress the Youth Wing with ! He wants them to "pick up little moments" Little moments of a mad, ruthless dictator, who brought ruin to Europe and beyond.
Ethridge was quite plainly holding up Hitler as an example for the Youth Wing to follow, when making speeches.
This is what really shocks about UKIP. A complete lack of judgement, which is why UKIP will never be more than a side-show and can't be taken seriously.
According to the Mail on Sunday, Bill Etheridge described the Nazi dictator as a "magnetic and forceful" performer who "achieved a great deal".
Hitler achieved a great deal apparently. Well, you can't really fault him there I suppose ......millions of people dead, nearly achieving a genocide, etc, etc. What a wonderful person to impress the Youth Wing with ! He wants them to "pick up little moments" Little moments of a mad, ruthless dictator, who brought ruin to Europe and beyond.
Ethridge was quite plainly holding up Hitler as an example for the Youth Wing to follow, when making speeches.
This is what really shocks about UKIP. A complete lack of judgement, which is why UKIP will never be more than a side-show and can't be taken seriously.
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