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Theland | 00:38 Sun 12th Aug 2018 | Science
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Who are the "they" that haven't told you such "mind-blowing" (obvious) points?

All of this is known to Climate Scientists, and is not hidden from the public either. Interesting, however, that the speaker doesn't quite put those facts in context. For example, the motion of the Earth does have an impact on the Earth's climate, but the relevant cycles last for periods of tens of thousands of years, so have no bearing at all on climate cycles over a few hundred years or so. Mentioning them is clearly sensible for the bigger context of long-term climate trends, but it's misleading to include them in a discussion on recent climate change.

With respect to the "no net warming in the 21st Century", this is also misleading. Firstly, that "hiatus" has already stopped, and the last four years have seen an apparent resumption of the trend for warming -- in particular, the last four years have been the hottest on record (since 1880). Secondly, the apparent pause was likely to have been partially related to El Nino, which magnified the temperatures in 1998 and therefore made the next decade or so look flat(ter) by comparison. Thirdly, there is now doubt that the hiatus even happened: see, for example, http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/06/05/science.aaa5632.full

Finally, so what? Just because one year, or even a decade or so, doesn't show a marked increase in temperature, doesn't undermine longer-term trends:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/2009GL037810


I should also point out that "Prager University" is not a university, in any sense of the word, and is better thought of as a conservative propaganda channel. A reasonable and balanced source it is not.

I could debunk the remainder of the claims in the video, most of which are based on true statements that are then taken wildly out of context, but the simple fact is this: the climate is changing, and human activity is a major driving factor in recent trends. The debate on this point is very much over, as a meaningful scientific exercise.

Seriously: stop doing your science research by looking at YouTube vids.

Well said Jim
more or less what I've been saying for years. Climate change is on going regardless. How did mankind cause the "Roman warm period" for example?
Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned?
I'm not familiar with the Roman Warm Period, but it's worth noting that its counterpart, the Medieval Warm Period, was a period of warming that occurred at what is essentially a far slower rate of growth than the equivalent today. I should imagine that the same is true of the Roman one.

The simple fact is that modern warming is occurring at a far greater rate than is usual for natural variation. This isn't controversial, no matter what armchair sceptics might say.
If only the predictions of fuzzy sciences like climatology and economics had the long history of reliable and highly accurate forecasts as those of physics, eh, Jim?
Quite.

(But that's another discussion entirely, at least in the specifics -- and I can't be bothered to reproduce my "Climate Science is constantly developing and that's normal" rant.)
Astrophysicists can probably predict when Halley's comet will next appear with a smaller margin of error in minutes than a meteorologist may predict the number of oaks in a Kentish town which will survive tomorrow's storm.
Not entirely sure that's a valid comparison.
(Apologies, Theland.)

Jim, started watching Al-Khalili on quantum mechanics for the third time.

Can you recommend a good dummy's guide to the subject?
//Not entirely sure that's a valid comparison//

But suited my purpose, perhaps. Done Aristotle on Rhetoric?
"In Search of Schrodinger's Cat" and "Schrodinger's Kittens" were two that my science teacher recommended. They are perhaps a little out-of-date, being written in 1984 and 1995, but I think probably worth a look.
I think you’ll find that particular tome right next to platting fog for beginners. ISBN 000030-BN-115
Thank you, Jim.

Thank you too, Zac's Master.
"But [a probably invalid comparison] suited my purpose, perhaps. Done Aristotle on Rhetoric?"

No, I have not.

I mean, the technical point is that it *is* an invalid comparison, because the motion of Halley's Comet is, to all intents and purposes, fully deterministic, whereas weather is a chaotic system.
"Me neither" (as our American cousins say) on Aristotle, Jim. Only know a few of his criricisms of Plato's Republic.

But if one set of predictions is "deterministic" while the other is not it kind of supports my "rhetorical" point, doesn't it?

Why can we be so certain, or have such a wide "consensus" on fuzzy predictions?

PS: not the same question as "...but what if they're right?". Nor is it the same question is "...but how much will it cost all of us [African peasants included] if they're wrong?".


// But suited my purpose, perhaps. Done Aristotle on Rhetoric?//
no but what did he say about global warming

done Kuhn - the structure of scientific revolutions? - more apt I would have said.

good review Jim
// Why can we be so certain, or have such a wide "consensus" on fuzzy predictions? //

because we look out of the window and see a temp of 38'c, put down our copy of Aristotle and say - golly that is hot!

President Trump doesnt believe in global warming but that doesnt kinda persuade me
Too tired to think now, I'll prepare a longer answer in the morning if you are interested.

The short answer, though, is that there is no longer any (meaningful) controversy with the big picture -- that is, that human activity is having an effect on our climate -- with the finer details, as in the nature and scale of that effect. A physics analogy might be the big-picture Standard Model (universally accepted) as opposed to the finer details of certain predictions within it (not always so universal, either because of disagreement between groups, human error, or improving techniques and resources over time).

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