FAO Keyplus

[kryptic]

There seems to be a lot of (maybe unintentional) evasiveness in questions put to you.
so I thought it may be beneficial to you to answer (clearly, here)
1) Is hell a just punishment? (an eternity of suffering for finite sins)
2) What is the fate of those that have not ever heard of Allaha?
3) I read Harry Potter books, am I doomed? (Actually I'm been facetuous. Exactly WHICH books are ok to read?

[MarkRae]

3) index librorum prohibitorum

[sandyRoe]

An eternity in a burning lake of fire isn't long enough for those who deny God.
Many Christians believe that if you haven't accepted God's saving grace you're going to burn in Hell fire for eternity.
The bible should be reading enough for anyone.

[MarkRae]

My usual counter-argument to that garbage is that an eternity surrounded by Christians would absolute hell or me...

[wildwood]

... sandy, is that the same God that is supposed to be good and forgiving?

[sandyRoe]

No. That's the God of the Protestants.

[wildwood]

I see, so it is the catholic God that is a b@stard.

[sandyRoe]

No. I might have worded that last answer a bit better. I meant it's the Protestant God that condemns to the eternal lake of fire.
The very worst you get in the Catholic faith is a spell in Purgatory.

[birdie1971]

The thing with Keyplus is that he is has a real problem with reality and logic. Unlike any other person whom I have debated with about religion, he seems either unwilling or incapable of following an argument to a logical conclusion.

When presented with a logical inconsistency with his arguments he usually resorts to accusing the other party or parties of failing to understand the very question being debated. It's quite silly and quite predictable.

Unfortunately, as far as Keyplus is concerned, the phrases, 'logical progression' and 'circular argument' are simply words sandwiched together which to him have no meaning.

[RATTER15]

Protestant, Catholics, they are all the same, one God that's wants everybody dead that doesn't believe in him.

If he was a person alive today he should be executed for crimes against humanity!!!!!

I never understand why people think he is such a good, forgiving God, its a case of do as I say or die!!

If it was any more than a fairy story I would be really worried.

Sorry, Ive gone off subject, rant over.

[kryptic]

Is keyplus always this silent?

[keyplus90]

No Keyplus is not always this silent but keyplus is not an old age pensioner or someone on dole either. However If that is difficult to understand then in simple words keyplus do have other things to do too.
I have given answers to your other questions its you who did not answer my question. But then again I know it is atheists very well-known trick or propaganda that just keep on saying that we have not received an answer, blah blah and more blah. Usually the reason is very simple. They only hear what they want to hear and rest is not there. And here is another example,

birdie1971
////The thing with Keyplus is that he is has a real problem with reality and logic. Unlike any other person whom I have debated with about religion, he seems either unwilling or incapable of following an argument to a logical conclusion.////

Once you have read that then proceed to this one,

////When presented with a logical inconsistency with his arguments he usually resorts to accusing the other party or parties of failing to understand the very question being debated. It's quite silly and quite predictable.////
And you know why my friend birdie believes so? Because even after going past 100 or more posts on so many occasions with birdie and CO, they still insist that I do not give them LOGICAL answers. So in other words answer has been given (that proves their “No answer given” propaganda wrong) but it is not logical only because it is not what they agree with.

ONLY LOGICAL ANSWER IS WHERE YOU AGREE WITH WHAT THEY SAY. SEEEEEMPLE

[keyplus90]

Now to answer your question in SIMPLE words.

1 - yes for certain sins.
2 - They have nothing to fear about.
3 - no.

All books are OK to read and one must read as much as he can. Condition is to have an open mind and accept what touches you.

Now have you got your answers?

[kryptic]

First off,
// keyplus is not an old age pensioner or someone on dole either //
Nobody (to my knowledge anyway) said you were. so why the paranoia? Strange way to start an answer to a thread. Never mind.
// i have given answers to your other questions its you who did not answer my question//
Nope, Sorry. You havnt
// But then again I know it is atheists very well-known trick or propaganda that just keep on saying that we have not received an answer, blah blah and more blah.///
And more blah, blah, blah from you. And NO ANSWERS.

To be honest, I cant be bothered anymore by these idiots.
I actually have a life away from these religious dipsticks.

[birdie1971]

keyplus90

Hello. A little agitated are we?
Bless.

Quite a few accusations there! I shall answer every one of them later today. I do love the way you constantly demonstrate the victim mentality by typing nonsense such as this:

“... Because even after going past 100 or more posts on so many occasions with birdie and CO, they still insist that I do not give them LOGICAL answers ...”


The simple fact is that you don't give logical answers. You and logic are like oil and water.

You also talk about me as if I have an army of like-minded friends that I can count on to back me up. Sorry to burst your bubble Keyplus, but I have no such on-line friends. I operate on my own and my opinions are my own. I don't have to rely on others to easily deconstruct your flimsy, misogynistic, violent, beliefs. The people who happen to agree with me on this issue do so of their own accord and take no direction from me whatsoever.

[Sir Alec]

If God is all forgiving, surely there is no such place as hell.

[Cowtipper]

1) Hell seems a just punishment considering people get life in prison even if they repent.
2) That's not how you spell Allah.
3) Harry Pothead is fiction. Free will is free will. Read what you want when you want. Practice what you want at your own peril.

[kryptic]

cowtipper
// Hell seems a just punishment considering people get life in prison even if they repent. //
Life inprisonment is not the same as eternal torture...or am I missing something?

[kryptic]

And just how is eternal torture a just punishment for ANYTHING?

[birdie1971]

Keyplus -

You forget that those of us who have been on this web-site for a few years know you as as being a habitual liar. Despite that a simple search on this website can prove categorically what's been said in previous debates, you have a habit of trying to distort or even deny that you've typed the things you've typed. A good example of this – and one I know you hate me bringing up – is when, during a particularly heated debate, you asked me to meet you face to face. There is only one reason during an on-line argument that one of the parties wants to meet the other party – and I think we all know what that reason is.

A few months after that, you claimed that you had previously offered to fly me - first class no less - to Pakistan (despite the fact that you live and work in the UK) and put me up in a five-star hotel, where I could meet with you and some of your 'friends' to debate the finer points of Islam! You never made this offer of course and even if you had, I would have obviously declined as it's crystal clear what your intentions would had been. You subsequently even attempted to deny that you had asked to meet me in person despite there being a very recent 'paper trail' to your actual posts (which I still have by the way).

I cite the above case as being indicative of the kind of person you so obviously are – a liar and a fantasist.