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Can The Eu Survive?
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I think it will not (at least not in its present form). And if it is expunged from the face of the earth it will do 500m people (well, about 440m now) a great favour. It was a fine and noble idea sixty years ago. Its foundations were based on trade and commerce and it’s a great idea to remove trade barriers and tariffs and to facilitate free trade. But with the...
17:23 Fri 17th Mar 2017
The fundamental flaw was allowing too many countries into the Euro club too quickly. The Euro is undervalued for Germany and massively overvalued for Greece. For the system to work it would need the rich countries to support the poorer ones, just as London and the SE subsidises the poorer regions of the UK.
high unemployment across the EU, that should be something that could start the ball rolling.
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Yes the EU will survive. How arrogant we are to think that it cannot survive without the UK
I've never really understood the 'let's smash the EU mentality. I understand, even if I don't support, the idea that the UK should leave. Hoping that the nations of Europe should all retreat into their lairs tho seems to me to be perverse
I've never really understood the 'let's smash the EU mentality. I understand, even if I don't support, the idea that the UK should leave. Hoping that the nations of Europe should all retreat into their lairs tho seems to me to be perverse
I think it will not (at least not in its present form). And if it is expunged from the face of the earth it will do 500m people (well, about 440m now) a great favour.
It was a fine and noble idea sixty years ago. Its foundations were based on trade and commerce and it’s a great idea to remove trade barriers and tariffs and to facilitate free trade. But with the federal ambitions ruthlessly pursued by the euromaniacs it was always going to end in tears. No forced union of disparate independent nations has ever succeeded in the long term. The EU has so many faults that they are too numerous to mention. But when you consider that its proudest achievements are the single currency and the Schengen Agreement it gives some idea of the arrogance of those running it. Those two “achievements” have caused untold misery across the continent and consigned millions of people to poverty and chaos.
The problem is that those in charge of the EU will not accept its failures and address them. They plough on fighting one crisis after another as if nothing has happened. They continually make the same mistakes expecting something to different to eventually happen. Their vanity will not let them accept that their project is a failure and take the radical steps needed to put things right. I believe the UK will be the first of quite a few nations to quit and this will be accelerated when the excrement hits the air conditioning with the Italian economy. That will largely spell the end of the euro and radical changes will have to be made.
It was a fine and noble idea sixty years ago. Its foundations were based on trade and commerce and it’s a great idea to remove trade barriers and tariffs and to facilitate free trade. But with the federal ambitions ruthlessly pursued by the euromaniacs it was always going to end in tears. No forced union of disparate independent nations has ever succeeded in the long term. The EU has so many faults that they are too numerous to mention. But when you consider that its proudest achievements are the single currency and the Schengen Agreement it gives some idea of the arrogance of those running it. Those two “achievements” have caused untold misery across the continent and consigned millions of people to poverty and chaos.
The problem is that those in charge of the EU will not accept its failures and address them. They plough on fighting one crisis after another as if nothing has happened. They continually make the same mistakes expecting something to different to eventually happen. Their vanity will not let them accept that their project is a failure and take the radical steps needed to put things right. I believe the UK will be the first of quite a few nations to quit and this will be accelerated when the excrement hits the air conditioning with the Italian economy. That will largely spell the end of the euro and radical changes will have to be made.
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“the EU was set up to tie nations together so tightly they could never afford to go to war again.”
If you mean they could not afford to go to war because they had insufficient funds then it’s certainly achieved that aim. The exception, of course, is Germany which has been running a current account surplus well in excess of EU rules for many years because it refuses to distribute its wealth across the poorer euro nations. Coincidentally, if my history serves me well, it was that very nation that was the principle cause of the two world wars.
However, if you mean they could not afford to go to war because they were inextricable linked you may be surprised. The EU has brought untold misery on millions of people and many of the poorer nations blame Germany for their plight. It would not take too much of a crisis – especially where the illegal movement of people across the continent is concerned – to kick off a few minor skirmishes, as was demonstrated last summer. And we all know what minor skirmishes can lead to.
“I sometimes wonder if they're so anti-establishment because they are low achievers and have a bit of a chip on their shoulders.”
Many are not anti-establishment, Zacs. They are anti-EU which is an entirely different thing. It does not do to lump the two together, especially when you suggest, by connotation, that those who are anti-EU are low achievers with chips on their shoulders. Many people who are anti-EU are considerably high achievers and have nothing which might cause them to have a chip on their shoulder.
If you mean they could not afford to go to war because they had insufficient funds then it’s certainly achieved that aim. The exception, of course, is Germany which has been running a current account surplus well in excess of EU rules for many years because it refuses to distribute its wealth across the poorer euro nations. Coincidentally, if my history serves me well, it was that very nation that was the principle cause of the two world wars.
However, if you mean they could not afford to go to war because they were inextricable linked you may be surprised. The EU has brought untold misery on millions of people and many of the poorer nations blame Germany for their plight. It would not take too much of a crisis – especially where the illegal movement of people across the continent is concerned – to kick off a few minor skirmishes, as was demonstrated last summer. And we all know what minor skirmishes can lead to.
“I sometimes wonder if they're so anti-establishment because they are low achievers and have a bit of a chip on their shoulders.”
Many are not anti-establishment, Zacs. They are anti-EU which is an entirely different thing. It does not do to lump the two together, especially when you suggest, by connotation, that those who are anti-EU are low achievers with chips on their shoulders. Many people who are anti-EU are considerably high achievers and have nothing which might cause them to have a chip on their shoulder.
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