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Why can't these scum have their names revealed?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-119310 9/Two-teenage-girls-jailed-stripping-rival-16- street-whipping-disrespecting-gang-leaders-mot her.html
Yet another savage gang attack perpetrated this time by a gang of the 'fairer sex' all for disrespecting a gang leader's mother.
The sadistic teenager was overheard by a member of staff telling girls at the Oakhill secure training centre in Milton Keynes she wished the gang could have got a man to rape their victim.
All members of this sadistic gang got very light sentences, some got away scot free. Should they all be named and shamed?
Yet another savage gang attack perpetrated this time by a gang of the 'fairer sex' all for disrespecting a gang leader's mother.
The sadistic teenager was overheard by a member of staff telling girls at the Oakhill secure training centre in Milton Keynes she wished the gang could have got a man to rape their victim.
All members of this sadistic gang got very light sentences, some got away scot free. Should they all be named and shamed?
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I think naming and shaming is exactly what they'd want. That and the prison sentences are badges of honour to scum like them. They'll be revered in prison, will strengthen their network whilst they're there and will go straight back to gangland the minute they get out - it's not a punishment for them, more like career advancement.
Ten years' forced labour would be too good for them.
Ten years' forced labour would be too good for them.
Sometimes it scares me when I start to agree with Leg, often LOL.
It's true that it's not immigrants that are wrecking this country it's the people here already.
The sentence is nowhere near long enough, it was sexual assault that could have been worse, the other offence shows that this gang had a thing for stripping victims so how many other victims are out there?
They should be named and their pictures released one of people involved has been named the others should be too.
It's true that it's not immigrants that are wrecking this country it's the people here already.
The sentence is nowhere near long enough, it was sexual assault that could have been worse, the other offence shows that this gang had a thing for stripping victims so how many other victims are out there?
They should be named and their pictures released one of people involved has been named the others should be too.
My answer would be "no". My reasons for saying that is because of the kind of people we're dealing with here. Teenagers they may be, but hardened criminals they most certainly are, and it would therefore serve no useful purpose in so called naming and shaming them.
What really continues to disappoint me is, firstly, the fact that there are absolutely no deterrents whatsoever in place in this country to help stop or prevent such offences. Hence culprits such as these know that they will be looked after for a period of time at public expense before being released to reoffend.
Then we have the 16 year old admitting to GBH with intent, an offence which carries a life sentence on indictment, so what does the Judge award? 3 years, plus a further 3 months for another assault last year. Now, given the fact that she and the others have already been on remand prior to this case, she'll probably be back on the streets in a year or so.
The whole judicial system in England and Wales needs a drastic and radical overhaul to reflect the concerns of the vast majority of the public and to try to restore some modicum of confidence in it.
I'm not holding my breath for that to happen but until it does, these types of offences will continue as will the laughable and wholly inappropriate "punishments". And we, "Joe Public", will also continue footing the bill!
What really continues to disappoint me is, firstly, the fact that there are absolutely no deterrents whatsoever in place in this country to help stop or prevent such offences. Hence culprits such as these know that they will be looked after for a period of time at public expense before being released to reoffend.
Then we have the 16 year old admitting to GBH with intent, an offence which carries a life sentence on indictment, so what does the Judge award? 3 years, plus a further 3 months for another assault last year. Now, given the fact that she and the others have already been on remand prior to this case, she'll probably be back on the streets in a year or so.
The whole judicial system in England and Wales needs a drastic and radical overhaul to reflect the concerns of the vast majority of the public and to try to restore some modicum of confidence in it.
I'm not holding my breath for that to happen but until it does, these types of offences will continue as will the laughable and wholly inappropriate "punishments". And we, "Joe Public", will also continue footing the bill!
Sounds like a terrible turn of events. What a horrible case.
I won't give a view on the sentences. Perhaps if I was there in court I'd be in full possesion of the facts, rather than those selected by a tabloid newspaper.
Thankfully, sentences are handed out by those who have sat through a full trial and all of the available evidence, rather than the tit bits Joe Public skim-reads on his way to work.
I won't give a view on the sentences. Perhaps if I was there in court I'd be in full possesion of the facts, rather than those selected by a tabloid newspaper.
Thankfully, sentences are handed out by those who have sat through a full trial and all of the available evidence, rather than the tit bits Joe Public skim-reads on his way to work.
I could not agree more with paraffin. The whole judiciary needs a complete overhaul.
Criminals are (figuratively) laughing at us.
Speaking hypothetically, I wonder what sentences the judge would have given if that had been his daughter? I have a sneaking suspicion that he might have been more 'robust' in his sentencing.
Maybe I'm just being cynical...
Criminals are (figuratively) laughing at us.
Speaking hypothetically, I wonder what sentences the judge would have given if that had been his daughter? I have a sneaking suspicion that he might have been more 'robust' in his sentencing.
Maybe I'm just being cynical...
I don't know why we bother with expensive trial
We should just have the cases written up in the Mail and then everyone could have a vote on the sentence.
No need to mess about with a jury or even a verdict eh?
Remember that the prosecution has the right to appeal sentence that they feel are too light.
As I recall the minimum recommended sentence for GBH with intent is 3 years for a jeuvenile however there are a number of aggravating factors specifically called out in sentencing guidelines this case relevent to report of the case.
Specifically:
An intention to commit more serious harm than actually resulted from the offence ( possibly depending on the rape claim details)
Offenders operating in groups or gangs
An especially serious physical or psychological effect on the victim, even if unintended
A sustained assault or repeated assaults on the same victim
Location of the offence (for example, in an isolated place)
Additional degradation of the victim (e.g. taking photographs of a victim as part of a sexual offence)
Use of a weapon to frighten or injure victim
Given that, we may well see an appeal of the sentence
Perhaps you should hold on to some of that righteous anger until then
We should just have the cases written up in the Mail and then everyone could have a vote on the sentence.
No need to mess about with a jury or even a verdict eh?
Remember that the prosecution has the right to appeal sentence that they feel are too light.
As I recall the minimum recommended sentence for GBH with intent is 3 years for a jeuvenile however there are a number of aggravating factors specifically called out in sentencing guidelines this case relevent to report of the case.
Specifically:
An intention to commit more serious harm than actually resulted from the offence ( possibly depending on the rape claim details)
Offenders operating in groups or gangs
An especially serious physical or psychological effect on the victim, even if unintended
A sustained assault or repeated assaults on the same victim
Location of the offence (for example, in an isolated place)
Additional degradation of the victim (e.g. taking photographs of a victim as part of a sexual offence)
Use of a weapon to frighten or injure victim
Given that, we may well see an appeal of the sentence
Perhaps you should hold on to some of that righteous anger until then
jake-the-peg
In a way I agree with you. There is nothing worse than trial by media.
That being said, many, many people seem to have the opinion that sentences are too lenient these days. And I agree with them because I have had personal experience of it.
An example � when I wore a silly hat I often had to watch CCTV footage of violent assaults. One of these was so appalling that it still bothers me even today. I watched a young man brutally attack another for no reason whatsoever. After the victim was knocked out cold after the first punch, the assailant repeatedly punched, kicked, and stamped on the poor guy�s head for approximately three minutes before being arrested. In between hospitalising the victim and scarring him physically and mentally for the rest of his life, the assailant repeatedly looked up at the CCTV camera, sticking two fingers up at it and visibly shouting obscenities at it.
While I was watching the footage I honestly thought, �I�m about to watch someone get beaten to death.� My heart sank and my stomach was in knots.
The victim ended up with serious, life threatening injuries. Luckily, he survived.
The assailant was charged with a Section 18 assault (GBH with intent). The maximum sentence that can be imposed is life imprisonment.
He got 4 years. He was out in just over 2 years.
In a way I agree with you. There is nothing worse than trial by media.
That being said, many, many people seem to have the opinion that sentences are too lenient these days. And I agree with them because I have had personal experience of it.
An example � when I wore a silly hat I often had to watch CCTV footage of violent assaults. One of these was so appalling that it still bothers me even today. I watched a young man brutally attack another for no reason whatsoever. After the victim was knocked out cold after the first punch, the assailant repeatedly punched, kicked, and stamped on the poor guy�s head for approximately three minutes before being arrested. In between hospitalising the victim and scarring him physically and mentally for the rest of his life, the assailant repeatedly looked up at the CCTV camera, sticking two fingers up at it and visibly shouting obscenities at it.
While I was watching the footage I honestly thought, �I�m about to watch someone get beaten to death.� My heart sank and my stomach was in knots.
The victim ended up with serious, life threatening injuries. Luckily, he survived.
The assailant was charged with a Section 18 assault (GBH with intent). The maximum sentence that can be imposed is life imprisonment.
He got 4 years. He was out in just over 2 years.
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