green energy....

[dannyday5821]

To what extent is "going green" a reality we'll have to concider due to non renewable fuels running out?

To be honest. Im really confused. I dont know what to believe. It appears to me this "going green" thing, is just a facade. Its almost a commercial gimmick. A new selling point. Slap something like saving energy or green on a new product, and people will buy it. Green green green im sick of hearing it.

Then on the other end, there are scientists saying its all rubbish this green stuff. Global warming? its normal. Its part of a cycle thats always happened and its no big deal at the moment. Government reports telling us the opposite, freaking us out. Trying to tell us we'll all die in some crazy flood or some nightmareish frozen world senario.

finally...this is what i dont understand. IF going green IS such a big deal...why isnt there more things done about it? Everyone argues about wind farms for whatever reason....the technology to me appears out dated and old. Why isnt more research put into it if it really is a serious problem?

[buildersmate]

Trouble is, Governments get voted in on a term of 5 years or so in most parts of the world (unless you are in Zimbabwe, but that's another story). And dealing with this is going to be unpopular with many voters (unless one lives on a Pacific atoll a couple of feet above sea-level). So no-one in any power is going to do much until more catastrophes occur. Look at the pathetic response of the (now second) largest polluter in the world - couldn't even by arsed to sign up to Kyoto. Its just not a voter-winner when so many people are just to cheap carbon energy sources.

[123everton]

Creationists have been predicting the end of the world for years, now that that creationism is out of fashion it's the turn of the atheists to do the same.
It's just an excuse to pick your pockets, decades ago you'd pay the local priest a tithe now you pay the Government a "green tax" you should know not to complain as it's for your own good...
Danny old boy I've read 2 of your posts and I have to say I like the cut of your jib

[DrFilth]

everyone should go green save the planet ,recycle this recycle that , watch your carbon footprint unless you are a football fan............40,000 plus fans fly all the way to moscow from england to watch a football match that lasts 90 minutes........................ carbon footprint maybe we will start next year ?????????????? maybe everton will win a trophy ??????????????

[123everton]

How do you know it's going to last 90 minutes? Do you have crystal balls? Or is it just the way you walk?
But you're right self denial is the way forward we should all flagellate ourselves for our conspicuous and profligate use of energy for pointless things like computers and holidays.
Wicked wicked people poisoning mother earth, repent repent! The end of the World is nigh! We've never heard that befor have we?
P.S.
That's sarcasm by the way, some of the atheists don't get sarcasm or irony, but they're still very very happy apparently....

[jake-the-peg]

Danny, it's true that temperature cycles have naturally varied on the Earth. However this one is different, It started naturally enough but this time the temperature rise cannot be explained by natural causes.

Unfortunately there are a lot of media types who jump on any misleading argument and oddball scientist and love to build a "Global Warming Hoax" story.

We'd all love that, we could all stop worrying and go on burning fossil fuels.

The Royal Society have a nice page with all these misleading arguments here:
http://royalsociety.org/page.asp?tip=1&id=6230

Your one is "Misleading argument 1"

There is a lot of research going on and windfarms are becoming big. The UK will shortly become the biggest off-shore wind generating nation in the world.

Trouble is you can't rely on wind to blow and the sun to shine exactly when you need energy. It's usefull but it can't be the only solution. That's why nuclear is big news right now.

In the long term though nuclear fusion will probably be the answer but building a little star on Earth isn't easy, it's been done but it will be about 30-40 years before the first commercial one is built

http://www.iter.org

[birdie1971]

jake-the-peg � You state that, �Unfortunately there are a lot of media types who jump on any misleading argument and oddball scientist and love to build a "Global Warming Hoax" story.�

So what you are saying is that the only scientific people who disagree with man-made Global Warming are �oddball�

Sorry, but you are wrong. The Hadley Centre which supplies the IPPC with data, which forms the basis of the IPPC�s conclusions have said, ��the heating effect of man made green house gases and the cooling effect of man made aerosols have (both) been over estimated.�

The Hadley Centre scientists are hardly �oddball�. Their data is used in many official predictions about Global Warming.

The bottom line is that man-made Global Warming is not proven. Even in the last few weeks, a new study has found that NO warming has been detected since 1998 and that Global Warming has actually halted � None, I repeat NONE of the computer models that the IPPC based its conclusions on predicted that the warming trend would just suddenly halt. This calls into question the validity of such models.

There are so many holes in the man-made Global Warming theory that any rational person can see them clearly. Man-made emissions are totally irrelevant to Global Warming. Ice-core data analysis shows that CO2 follows the climate temperature record � it does not drive it. In essence, temperature goes up, and CO2 goes up as well, with a few hundred year gap.

Man-made Global Warming is nothing but an invented demon. It allows the governments of the world to introduce new forms of taxation under the pretext of �saving the planet�.

It�s all bo*#ocks.

[birdie1971]

In addition you state, �it's true that temperature cycles have naturally varied on the Earth. However this one is different, It started naturally enough but this time the temperature rise cannot be explained by natural causes.�

It can be explained by natural causes. If it�s sunny tomorrow, look up into the sky and you�ll see a �small� yellow coloured object called the �sun�. It doesn�t actually do much�. except, give heat and light to the Earth, making life possible.

There is also something called �sun spots�. These are invisible to the naked eye, but can be clearly seen using the right equipment. Sun spots are connected with increased solar winds which have an effect on the climate of our planet � and others within our solar system.

If man-made carbon emissions are causing Global Warming, then why are the polar ice caps on Mars receding? Are the Martians driving around in their 4x4s a little too much?