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Notting Hill Carnival. Just 70 arrests ?
Is this good squeezy ? LBC has broadcast nothing all day except how good the Notting Hill Carnival is. The theme is the Abolition of the Slave Trade, and we are reminded by the organisers that thousands of people are still slaves in the world. So, are these black slaves under a white overseer, or it it something else.
Only 70 arrests, must be great !! but for yet another year I found something else to do.
Only 70 arrests, must be great !! but for yet another year I found something else to do.
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70 arrests out of what...750,000 attendees over a two day period.
Surely that can't be right. I was lead to believe that all crime in London was actioned by the blacks and Asians.
I think it's time that the revellers at this so-called carnival pulled their socks up and got back to mugging and drug dealing.
What the hell is the Daily Mail going to report tomorrow if the black community doesn't keep up it's end of the bargain .
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Surely that can't be right. I was lead to believe that all crime in London was actioned by the blacks and Asians.
I think it's time that the revellers at this so-called carnival pulled their socks up and got back to mugging and drug dealing.
What the hell is the Daily Mail going to report tomorrow if the black community doesn't keep up it's end of the bargain .
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Hang on...are you complaining because the Notting Hill Carnival is celebrating the abolition of slavery???
Why?
This year marks the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the Transatlantic Slave Trade by the British Parliament.
These were your ancestors...something to be proud of surely?
Incidentally whilst you're talking of making up, any chance of the English putting aside their centuries-old issues with the French and Germans?
Nah...
Why?
This year marks the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the Transatlantic Slave Trade by the British Parliament.
These were your ancestors...something to be proud of surely?
Incidentally whilst you're talking of making up, any chance of the English putting aside their centuries-old issues with the French and Germans?
Nah...
whiffey - I urge you to read up about slavery.
It's an ugly subject that would never get aired, unless people are willing to acknowledge the evils of the past.
Yes, slavery does go on today...you've read about the Eastern European and Chinese sex slaves who are brought to the West right? Well, unlike 'old fashioned' slavery, it's not government sanctioned, and it isn't the cornerstone of Western economic prosperity.
Do you think that the US and UK today would be the rich places they were if not for the benefits of free labour???
That's the link between the past and today. It's an economic link.
No matter how much you want to close your eyes to it. It happened.
It's an ugly subject that would never get aired, unless people are willing to acknowledge the evils of the past.
Yes, slavery does go on today...you've read about the Eastern European and Chinese sex slaves who are brought to the West right? Well, unlike 'old fashioned' slavery, it's not government sanctioned, and it isn't the cornerstone of Western economic prosperity.
Do you think that the US and UK today would be the rich places they were if not for the benefits of free labour???
That's the link between the past and today. It's an economic link.
No matter how much you want to close your eyes to it. It happened.
whiffey
I just have to ask this one before I go...have you not noticed the way that black and Asian kids are regularly blamed for all that is wrong in this country?
It may be my imagination, but when I look at the majority of 'race threads' here on the News section, I never see any questions critical of whites...it's a two way street y'know.
Go check for yourself.
And I'm going to say something which really used to annoy me back in the 70s when people said it to me....but please do something about that chip on your shoulder.
Life ain't so bad.
Right...I'm now definitely outta here.
I just have to ask this one before I go...have you not noticed the way that black and Asian kids are regularly blamed for all that is wrong in this country?
It may be my imagination, but when I look at the majority of 'race threads' here on the News section, I never see any questions critical of whites...it's a two way street y'know.
Go check for yourself.
And I'm going to say something which really used to annoy me back in the 70s when people said it to me....but please do something about that chip on your shoulder.
Life ain't so bad.
Right...I'm now definitely outta here.
Interestingly enough, I have just finished reading a historical novel called 'A Respectable Trade' which is essentially about the taking of slaves from Africa either to plantations or to England for 'work.' It is essentially a story of love between a black man and a white woman but tempered with factual events of that time.
Well, I am still reeling and horrified by what I read! Captured in Africa, marched onto a ship bound for Bristol, packed in on ledges like sardines, no sanitation, lying in their own faeces and urine and vomit for about 4 months, being tossed over the side if they became too ill, being beaten and whipped every day, babies torn from their mother's arms and thrown to the sharks for fun, women raped for something for the crew to do....If any of them tried to starve themselves to death, they were made to wear a metal bridle, which cut deeply into their nose and mouth and then force fed, to prevent death. There were nets over the sides of the ships to avert the black people from committing suicide as it was preferable to die.... The list could go on and on.
Eventually, on reaching England about another 25% would die within 2 yrs of either 'white man's germs' or from maltreatment. They were kept shackled and worked every day, very hard and kept half starved so they didn't have the energy to either rebel or run away. The women were routinely raped of course and if they became pregnant, generally died either before or during childbirth. The slaves in plantations fared even worse, with a death rate 0f 50 - 75% every 2 yrs, so had to be replaced with new 'stock.' These were people, who in their own country were noblemen, wives. mothers and workers like any of us.... So if anyone is interested in reading up on this I do recommend this book by Phillipa Gregory.
It would do none of us any harm to read up about the history of the Slave Trade and the cruelty of mankind.
Well, I am still reeling and horrified by what I read! Captured in Africa, marched onto a ship bound for Bristol, packed in on ledges like sardines, no sanitation, lying in their own faeces and urine and vomit for about 4 months, being tossed over the side if they became too ill, being beaten and whipped every day, babies torn from their mother's arms and thrown to the sharks for fun, women raped for something for the crew to do....If any of them tried to starve themselves to death, they were made to wear a metal bridle, which cut deeply into their nose and mouth and then force fed, to prevent death. There were nets over the sides of the ships to avert the black people from committing suicide as it was preferable to die.... The list could go on and on.
Eventually, on reaching England about another 25% would die within 2 yrs of either 'white man's germs' or from maltreatment. They were kept shackled and worked every day, very hard and kept half starved so they didn't have the energy to either rebel or run away. The women were routinely raped of course and if they became pregnant, generally died either before or during childbirth. The slaves in plantations fared even worse, with a death rate 0f 50 - 75% every 2 yrs, so had to be replaced with new 'stock.' These were people, who in their own country were noblemen, wives. mothers and workers like any of us.... So if anyone is interested in reading up on this I do recommend this book by Phillipa Gregory.
It would do none of us any harm to read up about the history of the Slave Trade and the cruelty of mankind.
>sp I am complaining that something that washed under many many bridges many many years ago is being wheeled out for political capital.
And every year we burn effigies of Guy Fawkes, a catholic, who tried to blow up parliament (allegedly).
So we are "celebrating" something that happened hundreds of years ago, and was encouraged by the government of the time (and still is to a certain extent) as it put catholics in a bad light.
And every year we burn effigies of Guy Fawkes, a catholic, who tried to blow up parliament (allegedly).
So we are "celebrating" something that happened hundreds of years ago, and was encouraged by the government of the time (and still is to a certain extent) as it put catholics in a bad light.
>It would do none of us any harm to read up about the history of the Slave Trade and the cruelty of mankind.
We tend to look at the slave trade based on todays "values" and not those of the time.
While I agree the treatment of slaves was awful, how about the treatment of workers in British factories just 100 years ago.
British workers in large factories would work 12 or more hours a day (every day) in noisy and dangerous conditions.
Children as young as 5 or 6 would work, crawling under dangerous machines to repair them or untangle cotton or whatever. Some died.
Many people had industrial accidents losing fingers, hands, arms and so on, but would work on because there was no sick pay or benefits to fall back on.
They worked with dangerous chemicals like lead and got cancer and other diseases. Many people went deaf due to the noise in these factories.
Many women worked on during pregnancy, often having the baby while at work. Few chldren survived infancy.
There was no holiday pay (or holidays).
Many people were old before their time, and died in their forties and fifties.
And of course when we came to the first world war millions of ordinairy men were sent to a wasteful death due to some idiot of a general who thought sending 60,000 men "over the top" was a great way to fight a war.
Maybe we need an organization in this country to point out how awful it was for the British working man less than a century ago.
We tend to look at the slave trade based on todays "values" and not those of the time.
While I agree the treatment of slaves was awful, how about the treatment of workers in British factories just 100 years ago.
British workers in large factories would work 12 or more hours a day (every day) in noisy and dangerous conditions.
Children as young as 5 or 6 would work, crawling under dangerous machines to repair them or untangle cotton or whatever. Some died.
Many people had industrial accidents losing fingers, hands, arms and so on, but would work on because there was no sick pay or benefits to fall back on.
They worked with dangerous chemicals like lead and got cancer and other diseases. Many people went deaf due to the noise in these factories.
Many women worked on during pregnancy, often having the baby while at work. Few chldren survived infancy.
There was no holiday pay (or holidays).
Many people were old before their time, and died in their forties and fifties.
And of course when we came to the first world war millions of ordinairy men were sent to a wasteful death due to some idiot of a general who thought sending 60,000 men "over the top" was a great way to fight a war.
Maybe we need an organization in this country to point out how awful it was for the British working man less than a century ago.
Hmmm, apparently i hear all the 70 arrests were for littering.
When the police were doing stop checks on these people, they threw their knifes and guns on the floor.
All of the accused apparently stated "it wasnt me".
The police could only charge them with littering as they didnt want to add more gun/knife crime to their statistics...
When the police were doing stop checks on these people, they threw their knifes and guns on the floor.
All of the accused apparently stated "it wasnt me".
The police could only charge them with littering as they didnt want to add more gun/knife crime to their statistics...
Unfortunately, regardless of race, creed or colour, man has been enlaving man since the beginning of time, and most probably will continue to do so.
My people still cebrate their deliverence from slavery in Egypt, and that was how many thousands of years ago?.
I think celebrating the abolition of such a henious crime as slave trading is well worth celebrating, because it keeps the thing in our minds, and hopefully, because of that, won't be repeated.
My people still cebrate their deliverence from slavery in Egypt, and that was how many thousands of years ago?.
I think celebrating the abolition of such a henious crime as slave trading is well worth celebrating, because it keeps the thing in our minds, and hopefully, because of that, won't be repeated.
VHG, human conditions were pretty bad most places until quite recently. Nonetheless, being a slave - being owned by another person who has the absolute power of life and death over you - is a big step further than even being a child chimney sweep. Your owner could put you to death and nobody would think any the worse of him than if he'd chucked an old chair on the fire.
Can't think where poor whiffey hears that black people are perfect and white people are villains, but it certainly isn't in AB's News section. Anyway, I spent most of the day at carnival and enoyed myself; my only regret is that live music has mostly been replaced by sound systems. 75 arrests among the best part of a million people doesn't seem like much of a crime wave to me. Hardly surprising as the place was swarming with police; when they had nothing else to do they were stopping cars and measuring their tyre tread depth, which is a great boon to society.
Can't think where poor whiffey hears that black people are perfect and white people are villains, but it certainly isn't in AB's News section. Anyway, I spent most of the day at carnival and enoyed myself; my only regret is that live music has mostly been replaced by sound systems. 75 arrests among the best part of a million people doesn't seem like much of a crime wave to me. Hardly surprising as the place was swarming with police; when they had nothing else to do they were stopping cars and measuring their tyre tread depth, which is a great boon to society.
Nothing much to add to the well thought out posts from yesterday.
Le Chat - thank you for the book recommendation. I'd read about it in The Independent a while back but completely forgot what it was called.
All I can add is The Orphanage is the scariest film I've seen in years. Guillamo Del Toro does it again.
Off to sleep with lights on.
Le Chat - thank you for the book recommendation. I'd read about it in The Independent a while back but completely forgot what it was called.
All I can add is The Orphanage is the scariest film I've seen in years. Guillamo Del Toro does it again.
Off to sleep with lights on.
MrBen -
Hmmm, apparently i hear all the 70 arrests were for littering.
When the police were doing stop checks on these people, they threw their knifes and guns on the floor.
All of the accused apparently stated "it wasnt me".
The police could only charge them with littering as they didnt want to add more gun/knife crime to their statistics...
where do you get your information from? I love all your jingoistic lies.
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=AX274 1280S&news_headline=firearms_arrests_at_nottin g_hill_carnival
So four people arrested for a 'gun crime'
Hmmm, apparently i hear all the 70 arrests were for littering.
When the police were doing stop checks on these people, they threw their knifes and guns on the floor.
All of the accused apparently stated "it wasnt me".
The police could only charge them with littering as they didnt want to add more gun/knife crime to their statistics...
where do you get your information from? I love all your jingoistic lies.
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=AX274 1280S&news_headline=firearms_arrests_at_nottin g_hill_carnival
So four people arrested for a 'gun crime'
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