A Race To The Bottom.

[Khandro]

'Is Simon Harris, Republic of Ireland Minister for Foreign Affairs, Trade and Defence, in a race with Keir Starmer to appease a grand evil and position his country to become the first officially anti-Semitic West European state since Nazi Germany?'

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/writing-this-could-soon-earn-me-a-death-sentence/

[Khandro]

Untitled, Your position seems to be like someone saying, " I have nothing against communists, but I hate Communism".

 

[Untitled]

khandro

a more accurate equivalent would be "i have nothing against communism but i hate north korea" which is a perfecy sensible position. 
 

israel is a country with a government. do you believe it is by definition anti-senitism to oppose the actions of that government purely because that state happens to be jewish? do you understand the difference between "israel" and "jews"?

[Khandro]

^^ If you hate North Korea, I can't see how you could feel warmth to its populace. 

[Untitled]

it's very easy khandro. i hate the government and what it does, i don't blame every last person who resides there. not that difficult is it?

[ynnafymmi]

All this hate could have been avoided,but after 07/10/2023 everything changed,everything changed Untitled.I wonder if the Hamas bastrads regret starting this war now?...unlikely,they start a war,the IDF finish it.

[Togo]

//"i have nothing against communism but i hate north korea" which is a perfecy sensible position. //  sic.

Another illustration of the horse before the cart trains of "though". The sensible stance is most definitely "I have nothing against N. Korea but I hate communism. Get rid of the madman and his communusm and the North Koreans very quickly become South Koreans in work ethic and attitude.  

[Khandro]

Untitled: OK, so you can't grasp the Communist  comparison .

What I think might be more apt, would be to suggest your statements on Israel might be analogous to; "I like black people, but I hate Nigeria."

i.e. The vast majority of the peoples of Nigeria are black, including the government, just as the vast majority of the peoples of Israel are Jewish. It isn't a cafeteria system of selection.

At a time like this, you can't wander through Jerusalem  saying, "I like her, but I don't like him."  It's a war which has been foisted on them by their enemies & you're either pro-Israel or against them.

You can try to hide your true feeling behind semantics, but it doesn't fool me.

[DDIL]

1113 the has been proven incorrect before.

But don't let that bother you spouting your nonsense.

[Pegasus16]

@12:15 Sun - 'I wonder if the Hamas bastrads regret starting this war now?'

'A senior officer in Hamas's security forces has told the BBC the Palestinian armed group has lost about 80% of its control over the Gaza Strip and that armed clans are filling the void.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gk79xlzwjo

Not looking good for these cowardly barbaric satanic terrorist.

[THECORBYLOON]

'What I think might be more apt, would be to suggest your statements on Israel might be analogous to; "I like black people, but I hate Nigeria."

i.e. The vast majority of the peoples of Nigeria are black, including the government, just as the vast majority of the peoples of Israel are Jewish.'

Nigeria is not the only country with a majority of black folk so the comparison is not a valid one.

Not all Jewish folk support the actions of the Israeli government so by your reasoning, they too, would be anti-Semitic.

[Untitled]

khandro

Nigeria is a country. it would be absolutely stupid to insist that someone who opposed the actions of the nigerian state was racist against black people... nobody in their right mind would say so. yet that's exactly what you say about israel almost word for word. i think you know that full well and it's why you are having such a hard time defending your argument. i think that you simply wish to stifle criticism of israel's actions by calling people who oppose them anti-semites. it isn't going to work anymore. people are seeing through it. 

[Khandro]

Untitled;  Israel was founded to be and is, a Jewish state. It is, by a very large majority Jewish. To oppose Israel is to oppose that Jewish majority, therefore to adopt a position of being anti-Jewish. 

Wriggle as you like, but that is what you are and you know it.

 

[Untitled]

what a ridiculous argument khandro. what if the majority jewish state does something reprehensible? is it anti-semitic to say so?

[Khandro]

Untitled: I shall answer that question if and when they do something reprehensible.

[THECORBYLOON]

"To oppose Israel is to oppose that Jewish majority, therefore to adopt a position of being anti-Jewish."

You are conflating hating or opposing the actions of the Israeli government with that of hating or opposing the country of Israel.

They are two completely separate views and not all Jewish folk, some of whom are Israeli citizens, support the Israeli government actions.

[DDIL]

Does that mean if we oppose the Jewish Government does that make me antisemetic?

[Untitled]

ok khandro if you won't answer that then please allow me to clarify what you are saying. do you believe that any opposition to the israeli state is by definition anti-semitic regardless of anything that state actually does purely because its population is majority jewish?

[naomi24]

The question of antisemitism isn’t being viewed objectively.  You’re all talking about the current conflict but for hundreds of years the Jews have been vilified, hounded and rejected and I would hazard a guess that anyone who is interested in the politics or indeed, in the religious aspect of the centuries old animosity between the Arabs and the Jews will have had a pre-existing opinion which I don’t think this latest war will have changed much.   Personally, in the hand-over of the land after World War II I think the Palestinians were treated abominably – but that said I would far rather have Israel in control of that miserable scrap of scrubby land than the madmen who would impose yet another Islamic state upon the planet.  When allocating our allegiance, it would be foolhardy indeed to fail to consider the reality of what a Hamas victory would mean to the world.   Does anyone here really want that? 

 

[Khandro]

Untitled // do you believe that any opposition to the israeli state is by definition anti-semitic regardless of anything that state actually does purely because its population is majority jewish?//

As far as I am concerned Israel has done nothing wrong but retaliate, defend itself and fight an existential battle of survival, so the answer is YES.

As I said above, if and when it does, I shall reconsider my position.

 The hypocrisy of those claiming to have 'nothing against Jews only their governance' is palpable.

  

 

[Pegasus16]

^ A lot of these fake anti-war protestors are anti-Semitic, usually middle-class western unemployable clueless anarchist.