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sandyRoe | 17:33 Mon 19th May 2025 | News
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... Palestinians from their homeland, in a massive piece of ethnic cleansing, how many should we accept as refugees?

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it is common tactic of every genocidal ideology to deny that its victims are people. zionism is no different. they used to call israel "a land without a people for a people without a land"... but there were people on it and they had just as much right to be there. nothing can justify Adam from Texas turning up in the west bank and snatching the farm of some poor Arab...
05:57 Tue 20th May 2025

I don't know what you think that adds to the conversation, sandyRoe.

terrorism is made inevitable by the constant killing of palestinian children, the snatching of their lands, constant brutality by the israeli occupiers, and the impossibility of peaceful protest. if israel seriously wants less terrorism then it should look to the root cause. 

untitled: "Then perhaps they should be left alone. " - They were left alone in their own autonomous region, governed by their own "elected" terrorist leaders. They chose to go on a baby beheading spree instead of living in peace.

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It's an oblique answer to your remark at 08:51, 'No one wants the Palestinians.'

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T3,

They're not being left alone.  The occupation of the West Bank is ongoing.

untitled, the root cause of the terrorism is the determination to destroy Israel.  Do you want the Israelis to let that happen?  

09:12 Gaza was an autonomous region before they did their party piece on Oct 7th

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A two state solution would end the violence.

Which of the warring parties doesn't want that?

The terrorists don't want it, sandyRoe.

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There are none so blind...

sandyRoe, I told you yesterday why there are checkpoints in Israel and I provided the evidence for their necessity.  You disappeared.  Unless you open your eyes you will remain blind.

It seems two state solutions have been thoughouly rejected and is now out of the picture. Israelis have finally got fed up and intend pursuing the Palestinian terrorists to ensure they're eliminated and can not ever return. Inevitably this means ordinary citizens, whether they supported the terrorists or not, get the rough end of the present situation.

 

Of course Israel hasn't been squeaky clean in their actions in the past, with settlements being set up where the global opinion is that they shouldn't be. And I've no doubt that every military get incidents from individual actions that should never occur. But the only part the Israelis are officially screwing at present is the lack of management regarding getting resources to the general Palestinian population.  That has clearly been inadequate for ages, and ever since they took over from external organisations and claimed Hamas appropriation they have failed to get the aid distribution sorted, and do little regarding statements or actions regarding improvement.

OG // I reckon anyone can claim to be a citizen of somewhere, but it wouldn't be official.//

Correct; that is why the so-called citizens passports given out in the West Bank aren't worth the paper they are written on.

sandyRoe //A two state solution would end the violence.//

Dream on ! Unless Hamas is crushed and obliterated, along with its weapons, tunnels and funding, a two state "solution" would mean a continuation of the aggression against Israel and its people for perpetuity. 

israelis are out to remove and replace palestinians and have been for more than a hundred years. palestinians are not responsible for the jewish exile thousands of years ago and they are not the aggressors in this conflict. 

untitled: "palestinians are not responsible for the jewish exile thousands of years ago and they are not the aggressors in this conflict. " - well it is sort of aggressive to attack a load of civilians and behead and burn their kids in front of them.

untitled, Palestinians are the aggressors in this conflict.  They are the reason security is high in Israel and surrounds.  Without the constant threat of terrorist attacks those measures would not be necessary.  You can dance around it all you like, but the fact remains that without Palestinian aggression none of this would be happening.  

"...they are not the aggressors in this conflict."

 

How can you possibly say that?

 

Were Israel attacking Gaza immediately before the Palestinians committed the most atrocious acts imaginable on innocent festival goers on 7th October?

 

There is absolutely no doubt at all that the Palestinians were the agressors and which directly led to what's happening now.

12:25 the apologists don't seem to be able to grasp that. I can understand a bit of common or garden terrorism but the unimaginable nastiness that they did on Oct 7th removes any potential sympathy I may have had. Those attrocities were planned they didn't just make it up on the spot. That's the kind of nasties the apologists on here are calling "freedom fighters". I am well aware of the maxim that one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter but surely no "freedom fighter" would carry out the attrocities they did. Sandy, Untitled and co seem to bend over backwards to "understand" why they did it. I struggle to see why. There is no justification. Anything Israel does is at their door.

'........ Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir described the campaign as a ‘multi-sector war’ that Israel did not choose but was forced into on ‘the black day of October 7’. His message to Gazans was unsparing:

We are not hiding in hospitals or schools. We are not staying in luxury hotels while you live in squalor. It is your leadership… Hamas is responsible.

From a strategic point of view, this phase of the war reflects a recalibrated doctrine. With the return of President Trump and a shift in Washington’s posture, Israel now faces fewer constraints. The operation is, in essence, a gamble: a final attempt to break Hamas’s grip on Gaza, even at the cost of international rebuke. Whether this gamble pays off remains to be seen, but it is clear that Israel believes there is no viable alternative.............'

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