If The Israelis Succeed In Driving...

[sandyRoe]

... Palestinians from their homeland, in a massive piece of ethnic cleansing, how many should we accept as refugees?

[Old_Geezer]

Unsure of your definition, Khan. Citizenship comes with rights, which is why you have to apply to a government for it (except at birth when it tends to be automatically granted).

[Untitled]

"they may well but it is still a part of Israel"

not by choice they aren't. israel conquered gaza and the west bank by force and subjects the people who live there to a brutal occupation. the citizens of the palestinian authority do not wish to be part of israel--they are forced to be. 
 

this incidentally is why some palestinians resort to terrorism. israel is in the habit of shooting peaceful protestors and also of raping and torturing palestinian prisoners, regardless of whether or not they have committed a crime. under those circumstances terrorism is not very surprising. 

[naomi24]

Untitled, that comes from the same place as your nonsense posts on Eurovision.

[ynnafymmi]

"terrorism",Untitled?"terrorism"....you will have sandyRoes back up there hun.

[Khandro]

Israel still has overall control of the West Bank, but since the 1990s, a Palestinian government - known as the Palestinian Authority - has run most of its town and cities, and Hamas similarly runs the Gaza strip - and not very well I suggest, and not for much longer.

[Untitled]

naomi

which part of what i wrote is nonsense?

[Khandro]

Untitled you really have a very poor grasp of history & realpolitik

[naomi24]

Untitled, the bit where you said support for Israel was fake and the organisers didn't care.  

[Khandro]

OG, 14:04 I beg to differ. You can be a citizen of say York, & be of American nationality & passport holder.

If you look it up you will find 'citizenship' is really belonging or being resident of a particular city.

[Untitled]

khandro

it is an indisputable fact that israel conquered the west bank and gaza. it is also an indisputable fact that the people in those territories do not wish to live under israeli occupation.

it is you that fails to understand realpolitik. if you occupy and brutalise people then they'll attack back, and they will do so in ways that are unscrupulous and violent. this is not to condone such behaviour,  but it is an obvious and predictable result. the occupier in this situation is not the victim. 

[Untitled]

"Untitled, the bit where you said support for Israel was fake and the organisers didn't care.  "
 

why is it nonsense? 

[Khandro]

Untitled; 21:16    Sigh!  The Israelis did not, & have never, set out to 'conquer' anyone. They have only ever responded to the existential threats they have suffered since their inception. Which is exactly what they are doing now against the Gazan 'leadership' which is dedicated to their destruction.

What would you suggest they do, and more pertinently, what do you think the proscribed terrorist Hamas administration should do ?

  

[Untitled]

I suggest you read some of the earliest zionist texts khandro because you plainly haven't bothered. they were quite open about the need to colonise the area and if needs be to use force against the existing population because they understood that jewish colonisation of an area that was already populated would be resisted. have you read ze'ev jabotinsky's essay "the iron wall"? here are some quotes from it: 

https://ibb.co/3myQbGDK

https://ibb.co/CpM06ZZd

https://ibb.co/nNpjSgTJ

https://ibb.co/HLTn2zJX

https://ibb.co/21YQhH3G

so yes khandro zionists have always sought to conquer and to colonise. it happened in the 1920s, it happened in 1948, and it happened when israel seized gaza and the west bank against the will of the people who lived in it. their goal is to remove arabs and replace them with jews. the only reason you will not call it that is because you agree with it. 

[Khandro]

As of 2024, the population of Israel reached about 9.8 million permanent residents in total. About 7.7 million were registered as Jews or other non-Arab populations. Furthermore, some 2.1 million Arabs lived in the country.

Strange that they live & work together in harmony, some Muslim Arabs are even part of the IDF !

The 'Palestinians' you so much sympathise with, are generally disliked throughout the Arab world, which is why none of them have stepped in to aid Hamas.

 

[Untitled]

and you have nothing at all to say in response to my above points so you fall back to your usual racist bluster about arabs. you have lost this one. 

[Old_Geezer]

I did look it up before posting 🙂. Definitions given included the need for rights to be assigned as part of it.  I reckon anyone can claim to be a citizen of somewhere, but it wouldn't be official.

[naomi24]

We can't hope to have a sensible, honest discussion when accusations of racism are thrown about.  Khandro is right.  No one wants the Palestinians. 

[Untitled]

then perhaps they should be left alone. 

[naomi24]

What, to continue terrorist attacks?

[sandyRoe]

No-one wanted the Jews who were fleeing from Nazi Germany in the late 1930s.