If The Israelis Succeed In Driving...

[sandyRoe]

... Palestinians from their homeland, in a massive piece of ethnic cleansing, how many should we accept as refugees?

[tomus42]

//None//

Any particular reason why NJ?

Do you object to all refugees or just these in particular?

[jourdain2]

I'd also say none.  We are struggling  under too many 'refugees/asylum seekers' as it is.

[Khandro]

The Gaza Strip is not a 'homeland' for anyone in particular, it formerly belonged to Egypt, which isn't even a religiously Islamic predominant country. There are no such people as 'Palestinians'. There has never been a country called 'Palestine'.

Palestine was always historically a geographical region, (like 'The Sahara' which covers 10 countries). It is not now, and never was a country, and certainly Gaza has never been a 'homeland' for those Arabs & others now living there. 

 

 

 

 

[Old_Geezer]

As occupants of an accepted region they are at liberty to call themselves Palestinian (or pretty much anything else for that matter) if they wish. Meanwhile as a single group calling themselves Palestinians, Hamas clearly speaks for them all, since a single group has a single dominant voice speaking & acting for them.

[THECORBYLOON]

In the Mandate for Palestine document issued by the League of Nations in August 1922, it states,

 

"Article 7

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine."[Emphasis added]

There were clearly Palestinian citizens in 1922.

[Untitled]

it is common tactic of every genocidal ideology to deny that its victims are people. zionism is no different. they used to call israel "a land without a people for a people without a land"... but there were people on it and they had just as much right to be there. 

nothing can justify Adam from Texas turning up in the west bank and snatching the farm of some poor Arab family because he feels his ancestry entitles him to it. nothing at all. it's evil pure and simple. 

[youngmafbog]

So the two Hamas lovers want them, no one else does.  Including the local surrounding Islamic coutries.  The "palestinians" are trouble wherever they go, that is why the local countries wont touch them.

But I suspect Treason Starmer would let them in.  More votes he would see it as.

[Untitled]

well as they've just announced that becoming a british citizen will go up to taking ten years from five years that doesn't really make any sense does it youngmafbog. 

[naomi24]

I've said many times that the Palestinians were treated abominably - but although Hamas and the quest for a Palestinian Islamic state is widely supported, contrary to what some might think the Palestinian people do lead normal lives running their businesses, going to work, taking their children to school, etc.  Israeli military checkpoints exist - even in the old city of Jerusalem pedestrians are subjected to checks - and there's a very simple reason for that. The Palestinians will not live in peace.   What is the solution to that?  

[New Judge]

"Any particular reason why NJ?"

I think I’d rather pose the question the other way round – why should we?

"Do you object to all refugees or just these in particular?"

Almost all. 

The function of the asylum system is not so that those displaced can “start a new life” in the destination of their choice. It is to grant temporary refuge to those fleeing danger or persecution. 

Article 31 of the UN’s own Convention on the treatment of refugees suggests that they should claim asylum in the first safe country they encounter. It actually says that no penalty shall be imposed on those arriving directly from a place of danger provided they present themselves  to the authorities immediately they arrive. The expectation is that they should do just that and the implication is that penalties can be applied to those who do otherwise. This is obviously what the signatories expected when they ratified the Convention.

For some reason the UN has decided that this no longer applies. The signatories have simply acquiesced to this decision instead of insisting that a formal amendment is put to them for their agreement.

With that in mind, very very few people arrive in the UK having come directly from a place where they were in danger. The same can be said for almost all European countries. The number of asylum applications in the UK which comply with the UN Convention would therefore be minimal.

The UN Convention waas drawn up in the aftermath of WW2. It was designed for a world that is totally differen to today. All it is now doing is facilitating the mass transfer of populations from predominantly the Middle East (but other places as well) to Europe. If there are problems in those places the people living there should remain to sort them out.

Ultimately their presence in Europe will simply make that continent the same as the places they have left. Then there will be nowhere for anybody to flee to at all.

[Khandro]

Corby your reference at 22:56 Mon. Is simply vague nonsense by the league of nations in 1922.

Where exactly is/was this 'Palestine' and what & where are its borders ?

[naomi24]

It's silly to say Palestine didn't exist.  However it was classified it did exist.

[Khandro]

^^ Yes, but as a region, not as a country.

[THECORBYLOON]

KHANDRO, have a look at the map here, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

[naomi24]

It doesn't matter.  It existed - and it's been home to the Palestinian people for thousands of years.

[seanne]

None

[Khandro]

corby, That map of 1922 (over a century old) is as useless now as it was then. Scroll down to the one of 1949 & tell me where is 'Palestine'.

Of course there's always been such a region, I've even got a photograph of my father in the RAF in WWII in Egypt, standing in a desert & he had written on the back; 'Recuperating in Palestine'.  

 

[naomi24]

Khandro,   Why do you want a map from 1949 when Israel was created in 1948?  Of course you aren't going to find a region called Palestine on that.

[ToraToraTora]

Israel was not created in 1948 it's been there for 5000 years.

[Ellipsis]

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