Zelensky - On Now ! Z "Owning" Both Vance And Trump

[Peter Pedant]

unbelievable !

this one will run and run - - er AB er will boggle over the recordings.

[naomi24]

Trump is not a politician.  He's a businessman.  He bargains for everything and if there's nothing in it for America he's not interested.  If he would give some guarantee to Zelenskyy that America will, in exchange for mineral rights, offer support, the  agreement would probably gave been signed.  However, the question remains 'what's in it for Ukraine?' - and that's what I think Zelenskyy is asking.  Who seriously can blame him?

[barney4444]

I think  that's over simplifying it! but basically yes, Zelensky could have negotiated a better deal than this 18 months ago but Europe and America kept propping it up, enoughs enough says Trump.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[barney4444]

What you mean what,clone.

[Thisoldbird]

Trump doesn't like Valensky, that bits personal.  

As for criticizing Zalenskys clothing..@##$ 

I don't understand politics but tonight's outburst was a disgrace. As I read elsewhere... I bet Putin is laughing his socks off. Sad sad day

[Untitled]

zelensky did not instigate this war... putin did. if trump wants to talk to somebody about ending it he should be addressing the kremlin

the "minerals deal" amounts to the USA carving up the country with russia. russia gets the east, USA gets rare earths and gigantic payments. trump's plan would turn what remained of ukraine into a colony and embolden russia to try again in the baltics in 7 years.

the man is not fit to be president. he is a demented old man who cannot control his emotions and preys on the weak. 

[barney4444]

Trump is a man who cares about the country he was elected to run, why can't we have  a government that cares about us, instead of flying around the world signing stupid green deals, paying b.m.w 65 million pounds to make electric minis that no one wants, funding wars that are not our problem, fine by me Ukraine not joining nato, just do something about people waiting 20 hrs or more in corridors of hospitals etc ,etc, but hey ho let's not worry about our country,  I think perhaps Trump is a politician Naomi,and if only we could have someone like him that actually cares about the people he was elected to represent.

[douglas9401]

Anyone who imagines that Trump cares about anybody but himself hasn't been watching over the years.

A spoilt, petulant child who should have been disciplined bigly a long time ago.

[fender62]

douglas9401, what could trump personally get out of it, he's already rich, noble peace prize perhaps, doubt he cares about one, i think he really does want a deal thats good for america and why not, no such thing as a free lunch, the war has to end and only america can make it happen, putin hates the eu..

[barney4444]

I would prefer Trump standing up for me and my country than flip flop Starmer, he has achieved more for America and it's people in a month than 'what day is it' Biden did in four years, oh hang on he did give his son Hunter a full pardon before he left office 

[Old_Geezer]

Well, I asume I missed the fireworks; but one thing for sure, capitulation is no way to peace. It sometimes seems that some are happy, maybe even pushing for, a mirror situation to those already created elsewhere; in places like Israel, for example.  Where there is oppressed there will be people who consider themselves freedom fighters. Where there are bullies there will be a target on their back.

 

It seems to me to be incredibly naive to assume that giving Russia what it wants, because neither of the other two world powers want to fight for a fairer decent world, won't result in other areas of the world taking the hint and chucking their conscripts into a meat grinder in pursuit of the glory of extending their borders. It likely wouldn't even stop Russia even, given tbe rest of Eurasia isn't a Greater Russia: yet.

 

In addition it is very sad to read some actually advocate ingoring the moral viewpoints and advocate that we all should just get out and let the bullied be bullied.

 

First they came for the Communists, but I didn't want to help as I saw no value for me in it so preached that it was a lost cause, the bullied should be ashamed, and we ought not be a money machine.  Then they came for the Socialists, but I didn't want to help as I saw no value for me in it so preached that it was a lost cause, the bullied should be ashamed, and we ought not ...

[nicebloke1]

Why did Trump need his big mouth mate next to him? Two bullies on to one. Reminded me of AB at times.:0)

[Old_Geezer]

Trump likely does want the best deal, as he sees it, for America. At least in the short term. The problem is that it need not be a fair deal, just whatever he can force though and blow everyone else because nothing and no one else is important.

[barney4444]

So without the waffle o.g what you actually saying is Europe and America continue bankrupting ourselves propping up Ukraine for ever.

[newmodarmy]

Barbey... And once Russia has Ukraine and moves onto its next target should we just all keep out and leave Russia to do what it wants?

[newmodarmy]

Barney, sorry. Should the Allies have kept out of WW2 and leave Hitler to it?

[Old_Geezer]

I'm glad you didn't waffle. Unfortunately by trying to be brief you didn't state the situation accurately.

 

America and Europe should fund opposition to an aggressive power sufficiently to stop it before anyone is bankrupted. In any case further sanctions and ensuring they are adhered to would likely bring things to a suitable conclusion. To not do so simply makes for a worse situation in the future.

[barney4444]

Gee, let's change the record and move on, deal with what we faced with here and now, Trump and Zelensky are able to end this war. for the good of everyone involved I pray they do it.

[newmodarmy]

You forgot tor mention Putin who is the one doing the invading

[Old_Geezer]

As stated earlier, it won't end by capitulation, it'll simply change form; and in addition it'll encourage more.

[barney4444]

Putin really been bothered about sanctions so far! and with America saying we not continuing with this I can't see us scaring Russia can you.