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Don't Extradite Assange
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NJ; for a judge (if you are in fact a judge) you seem rather sanguine about condemning a man without trial ;
'The US counter-intelligence official who led the Pentagon's review into the fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures of state secrets told the Bradley Manning sentencing hearing on Wednesday that no instances were ever found of any individual killed by enemy forces as a result of having been named in the releases.
Brigadier general Robert Carr, a senior counter-intelligence officer who headed the Information Review Task Force that investigated the impact of WikiLeaks disclosures on behalf of the Defense Department, told a court at Fort Meade, Maryland, that they had uncovered no specific examples of anyone who had lost his or her life in reprisals that followed the publication of the disclosures on the internet. "I don't have a specific example," he said.'
The Guardian 31 July 2013
Perhaps you could tell us what Brigadier General Robert Carr missed?
'The US counter-intelligence official who led the Pentagon's review into the fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures of state secrets told the Bradley Manning sentencing hearing on Wednesday that no instances were ever found of any individual killed by enemy forces as a result of having been named in the releases.
Brigadier general Robert Carr, a senior counter-intelligence officer who headed the Information Review Task Force that investigated the impact of WikiLeaks disclosures on behalf of the Defense Department, told a court at Fort Meade, Maryland, that they had uncovered no specific examples of anyone who had lost his or her life in reprisals that followed the publication of the disclosures on the internet. "I don't have a specific example," he said.'
The Guardian 31 July 2013
Perhaps you could tell us what Brigadier General Robert Carr missed?
//...you seem rather sanguine about condemning a man without trial ;//
I'm not condemning him without a trial. The USA has been trying to bring him to trial for years and he has gone to great lengths to avoid it. I'm merely suggesting he leaves these shores. Where to, I don't really care but since a judge and the Home Secretary have agreed to his extradition to the USA that seems as good a place as any.
//Perhaps you could tell us what Brigadier General Robert Carr missed?//
I've no idea what the Brigadier-General might have missed. You can read three reports into this affair and get six different answers. But it seems common ground that Mt Assange's organisation has placed into the public domain vast quantities of documents which ought not to be there. It is not for any "lay" individual to determine what should be released and what should not and quite frankly, with the sheer quantity of information involved I doubt that anybody in the Wikileaks outfit had much idea what they were publishing. They just seemed to publish it because they could.
It's unfortunate but the world is a dangerous place. I believe that governments, their civil servants and their military forces are entitled to keep such information as they see fit secret. I believe Mr Assange and his organisation represent a threat to that entitlement and I'd like to see that threat removed.
I'm not condemning him without a trial. The USA has been trying to bring him to trial for years and he has gone to great lengths to avoid it. I'm merely suggesting he leaves these shores. Where to, I don't really care but since a judge and the Home Secretary have agreed to his extradition to the USA that seems as good a place as any.
//Perhaps you could tell us what Brigadier General Robert Carr missed?//
I've no idea what the Brigadier-General might have missed. You can read three reports into this affair and get six different answers. But it seems common ground that Mt Assange's organisation has placed into the public domain vast quantities of documents which ought not to be there. It is not for any "lay" individual to determine what should be released and what should not and quite frankly, with the sheer quantity of information involved I doubt that anybody in the Wikileaks outfit had much idea what they were publishing. They just seemed to publish it because they could.
It's unfortunate but the world is a dangerous place. I believe that governments, their civil servants and their military forces are entitled to keep such information as they see fit secret. I believe Mr Assange and his organisation represent a threat to that entitlement and I'd like to see that threat removed.
NJ - defending the rights of governments around the world who insist that their criminal activities remain secret; and anyone who dare disclose such should face the full force of the law (the judiciary know which side of their bread is buttered).
I wonder if I kept a diary of my criminal activity that a journalist found and published the details, would I too be able to prosecute the journalist for publishing information that I considered classified – I don’t think so.
I wonder if I kept a diary of my criminal activity that a journalist found and published the details, would I too be able to prosecute the journalist for publishing information that I considered classified – I don’t think so.
//I wonder if I kept a diary of my criminal activity that a journalist found and published the details, would I too be able to prosecute the journalist for publishing information that I considered classified – I don’t think so.//
Neither do I. For the simple reason that details of your criminal activity is not classified - even though you might like to think so. In fact, your criminal activities would not even be protected by the General Data Protection Regulations.
Governments and people are different. You may not like it, but there it is
Neither do I. For the simple reason that details of your criminal activity is not classified - even though you might like to think so. In fact, your criminal activities would not even be protected by the General Data Protection Regulations.
Governments and people are different. You may not like it, but there it is
N.J. none of this information as I have said, has been shown to result in the death of anyone at all, & most of it was gathered by the most scurrilous means; torture & espionage (of which E. Kant had a lot to Say, but I'll move on) all in the name of 'national interest', but what exactly is this national interest, other than those in power claim it to be? Does this 'national interest' trump moral values, if so why?
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I personally don’t believe that governments who are engaged in criminal activity should enjoy anymore more protection from prosecution than an individual.
Once you accept that they are, they will (commit criminal acts) – much like an individual who is immune from criminal prosecution, what is to stop them robbing banks or committing murder?
Once you accept that they are, they will (commit criminal acts) – much like an individual who is immune from criminal prosecution, what is to stop them robbing banks or committing murder?
//...but what exactly is this national interest,//
It doesn't matter. The crucial point is that whatever it is, Mr Assange does not get to decide or influence it. If he believes he has a legitimate reason for publishing 10 million restricted documents he can argue his case in court. Personally I doubt he'll get very far because if nothing else, he will have difficulty explaining precisely what he believes is contained in all those documents that provides him with the excuse to publish them. It strikes me that he didn't particularly care what the documents contained and in that respect he is an absolute menace.
It doesn't matter. The crucial point is that whatever it is, Mr Assange does not get to decide or influence it. If he believes he has a legitimate reason for publishing 10 million restricted documents he can argue his case in court. Personally I doubt he'll get very far because if nothing else, he will have difficulty explaining precisely what he believes is contained in all those documents that provides him with the excuse to publish them. It strikes me that he didn't particularly care what the documents contained and in that respect he is an absolute menace.
He released information that was not in the public domain with no concern about any repercussions that his actions would cause.
In an ideal world we, the public should be allowed full freedom to know everything govts and military have done and are planning to do.
This is not an ideal world, it is the real world. As long as we are told what we need to know that should suffice.
Police/military being forced to divulge information about strategic moves, diplomatic plans etc can put lives at risk. This only one type of information that was released.
He and his kind are a menace to the safety and wellbeing of the rest of us.
In an ideal world we, the public should be allowed full freedom to know everything govts and military have done and are planning to do.
This is not an ideal world, it is the real world. As long as we are told what we need to know that should suffice.
Police/military being forced to divulge information about strategic moves, diplomatic plans etc can put lives at risk. This only one type of information that was released.
He and his kind are a menace to the safety and wellbeing of the rest of us.
No I wont sign, I will help push him up the steps.
Whilst I have some sympathies on some of the topics that could be counted as whistleblowing Assange and his crowd went far beyond that putting peoples lives at risk. Whether he knew that or simply didnt care is up to a Court to decide. And that is what appears is going to happen.
Whilst I have some sympathies on some of the topics that could be counted as whistleblowing Assange and his crowd went far beyond that putting peoples lives at risk. Whether he knew that or simply didnt care is up to a Court to decide. And that is what appears is going to happen.
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