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What's Is Your Answer (Or Answers) To The Uk's Obesity Crisis?
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The answer is stoicism and self-discipline. The trouble is they are sadly lacking in recent generations, and also the counter-attack from ever more insidious marketing (especially in cyberspace) makes these qualities more difficult to maintain.
The retreat from accountability is also a cause. If a child is disciplined at school for example, the parent is more likely to chastise the teacher - in my day the parents backed the teachers.
The retreat from accountability is also a cause. If a child is disciplined at school for example, the parent is more likely to chastise the teacher - in my day the parents backed the teachers.
//Somehow reward the people that are not overweight…//
Their reward, they should be told, will be they are less likely to contract heart disease, diabetes, joint problems, breathing difficulties, liver and kidney diseases and will be less likely to be seriously ill if they contract an everyday virus such as SARS-Cov-2 (which we will all be exposed to, probably multiple times in our lifetime).
The reason many people (and their children) are overweight is simply that they do not eat the right stuff in reasonable quantities and do not exercise enough. The preponderance of fast food outlets and the appalling habit of eating meals in the street or on public transport had made it dead easy to feed oneself in a completely unsuitable manner. I went up to London one day last week. A few stops before arriving there a girl got on the train. She was probably about 18 to 20. It was, however, difficult to tell because she must have weighed in at something in excess of 16 stones (100kg in new money). As she sat down the appalling stench of fried grease and fat permeated the carriage. Out from a greasy carrier bag came a cone of chips and two burgers. This was at 10 in the morning.
She old enough to know better, she's obviously got a weight problem, but she's eating burgers and chips at 10am. Short of closing down all fast food outlets (which I don't agree with because I don't see why sensible people who have an occasional burger as a treat should suffer because stupid people live on the stuff) there's little "they" can do about that. As above, people need to take responsibility for their own wellbeing and not expect somebody else to do something about their stupidity.
There should be no reward for looking after yourself.
Their reward, they should be told, will be they are less likely to contract heart disease, diabetes, joint problems, breathing difficulties, liver and kidney diseases and will be less likely to be seriously ill if they contract an everyday virus such as SARS-Cov-2 (which we will all be exposed to, probably multiple times in our lifetime).
The reason many people (and their children) are overweight is simply that they do not eat the right stuff in reasonable quantities and do not exercise enough. The preponderance of fast food outlets and the appalling habit of eating meals in the street or on public transport had made it dead easy to feed oneself in a completely unsuitable manner. I went up to London one day last week. A few stops before arriving there a girl got on the train. She was probably about 18 to 20. It was, however, difficult to tell because she must have weighed in at something in excess of 16 stones (100kg in new money). As she sat down the appalling stench of fried grease and fat permeated the carriage. Out from a greasy carrier bag came a cone of chips and two burgers. This was at 10 in the morning.
She old enough to know better, she's obviously got a weight problem, but she's eating burgers and chips at 10am. Short of closing down all fast food outlets (which I don't agree with because I don't see why sensible people who have an occasional burger as a treat should suffer because stupid people live on the stuff) there's little "they" can do about that. As above, people need to take responsibility for their own wellbeing and not expect somebody else to do something about their stupidity.
There should be no reward for looking after yourself.
NJ....yes yes, I agree with all you say and eloquantly put as usual.....BUT....we have known all about your recomendations for the past 50 years and in they time, despite all the diets and TV adverts and government proposals and advice..........obesity in the UK is increasing and we are the fatest country in Europe.....well in the top ten ;-)
Apart from surgery, there is no answer.
Apart from surgery, there is no answer.
YMB - yes...a multi-pronged attack. I assume kids still have games classes in school but it's not just kids. Obesity is an issue for every age group.
Lifestyle changes have a role to play too (so many more sedentary jobs in 2022 as opposed to 1972).
I don't think that encouraging people to eat better will work because fatty, sugary food is a) cheap and b) addictive (sugar triggers pleasure responses in the brain) - but what the barry1010 council is doing is a step in the right direction.
Lifestyle changes have a role to play too (so many more sedentary jobs in 2022 as opposed to 1972).
I don't think that encouraging people to eat better will work because fatty, sugary food is a) cheap and b) addictive (sugar triggers pleasure responses in the brain) - but what the barry1010 council is doing is a step in the right direction.
NJ
"As above, people need to take responsibility for their own wellbeing and not expect somebody else to do something about their stupidity."
That may well be true, but the same is true of previous generations who smoked even when they knew it would kill them.
I have a similar story. A couple of years ago I was visiting a friend in hospital in north London. Every day you'd have to walk past a group of patients in wheelchairs with drips going into their arms...smoking.
I believe the same is true about those who overeat and/or don't burn enough calories. They know what they're doing is bad for them, but they can't break the habit.
Arguably, quitting cigarettes is easier as it's a binary thing. You either smoke or you don't smoke, whereas you always need food - it's just that switching from a toffee apple to a Granny Smith can be difficult.
"As above, people need to take responsibility for their own wellbeing and not expect somebody else to do something about their stupidity."
That may well be true, but the same is true of previous generations who smoked even when they knew it would kill them.
I have a similar story. A couple of years ago I was visiting a friend in hospital in north London. Every day you'd have to walk past a group of patients in wheelchairs with drips going into their arms...smoking.
I believe the same is true about those who overeat and/or don't burn enough calories. They know what they're doing is bad for them, but they can't break the habit.
Arguably, quitting cigarettes is easier as it's a binary thing. You either smoke or you don't smoke, whereas you always need food - it's just that switching from a toffee apple to a Granny Smith can be difficult.
all this was bound to happen, if you think back in time what was sold in shops, i cannot remember seeing so much processed food ok fish fingers, but you look now its a giant buffet of processed fatty foods
in giant fridges and coolers, i call it nuke food ie microwave junk.
as for the high st, more buffet take outs, it's very alluring and easy
so what the cure erm there isnt one, you could be cruel and deny over weight people nhs care, and on the other hand you have smokers and drinkers and action sport participants..deny them nhs.
in giant fridges and coolers, i call it nuke food ie microwave junk.
as for the high st, more buffet take outs, it's very alluring and easy
so what the cure erm there isnt one, you could be cruel and deny over weight people nhs care, and on the other hand you have smokers and drinkers and action sport participants..deny them nhs.
The worse one I ever saw was in Florida some 20 years ago, walking round the place were people with these great big turkey legs, grease dripping and the lot. They were all huge. Another time went to the fast food bit as nothing else to eat and bought food for four on my tray while the others sat down. My mate and his family did the same. There was this big fella in the queue we got chatting to, seemed nice enough, who I thought was doing the same. He wasnt, they were on the table next to us and his wife (big boned) and kid (also very large) each had their own tray. Unbelievable especially at the prices in there.
And to cap it all we had been waiting in a queue for a roller coaster for around 45 mins. Just ahead of us a group of girls were just getting on the last seat when there was a bit of a kerfuffle. Turns out the young girl, no more then 18, was too large and they couldn't shut the saftey guard down so she had to get out. She had failed to try the seat right at the back of the queue for that very purpose. Anyhow she got out the seat picked her bag up and pulled out a giant bag of 'chips' and started scoffing them. Absolutely incredible, I remember thinking at least the UK isnt like this - and now look.
And to cap it all we had been waiting in a queue for a roller coaster for around 45 mins. Just ahead of us a group of girls were just getting on the last seat when there was a bit of a kerfuffle. Turns out the young girl, no more then 18, was too large and they couldn't shut the saftey guard down so she had to get out. She had failed to try the seat right at the back of the queue for that very purpose. Anyhow she got out the seat picked her bag up and pulled out a giant bag of 'chips' and started scoffing them. Absolutely incredible, I remember thinking at least the UK isnt like this - and now look.
youngmafbog, seen similar in the states with all you can eat restaurants for one price, i remember seeing minivans pulling up
and on van had a lift on the side with a fellow in a chair, the whole family were huge, they didnt walk.. erm kind of wobbled into the restaurant four of them all huge, then another van similar pulled up
with more of the same types heading into food joint, it was like a something out of a comedy film, but it was real, i remember pulling into a burger place and the lady behind the glass asked if i would like a big gulp ermm a what? it was a soft drink, i declined as it must have been roughly a pint and half of coke pepsi?
and on van had a lift on the side with a fellow in a chair, the whole family were huge, they didnt walk.. erm kind of wobbled into the restaurant four of them all huge, then another van similar pulled up
with more of the same types heading into food joint, it was like a something out of a comedy film, but it was real, i remember pulling into a burger place and the lady behind the glass asked if i would like a big gulp ermm a what? it was a soft drink, i declined as it must have been roughly a pint and half of coke pepsi?
I was halfway through typing up a huge answer which explained that, although I agree with much of what has been said, there are sometimes underlying health issues that cause a person to be fat.
I suffer from Insulin Resistance and Bipolar Disorder and, due to the medication that I had to take, Kidney Disease.
I was 22stone but am now 17stone, but it took years to manage to lose this amount.
I have to admit that I hate to see very fat children and I don't think that fat girls like me modelling bikinis for clothing for 'real' women makes me feel empowered or whatever the phrase is.
I suffer from Insulin Resistance and Bipolar Disorder and, due to the medication that I had to take, Kidney Disease.
I was 22stone but am now 17stone, but it took years to manage to lose this amount.
I have to admit that I hate to see very fat children and I don't think that fat girls like me modelling bikinis for clothing for 'real' women makes me feel empowered or whatever the phrase is.
I think a mixture of education, which we do- but also habits, where we could do better in schools. People are busier, so more junk food, more sedentary jobs, due to computers- and a lot of mispublicising, where someone of a healthy weight (Victoria Beckham, say) is described as "skinny"... PCness of using words like curvy... we normalise it.
What I was saying earlier about teacher/parent relationship - now epitomised by this joke from Rondy
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