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Apparently things tend to mutate to be less harmful. It makes sense because killing off your host is not the best survival strategy.
23:27 Wed 01st Dec 2021
dave50,
I would not support a lockdown now, but I wouldn’t rule one out in the future. But we do need now greater restrictions now to halt it spreading.
Lockdown has an effect on the economy, but don’t forget the virus itself does. There were 53,000 new cases yesterday (doubled in 6 weeks). We cannot allow it to double again in another 6 weeks. Deaths are low but each infection in a working adult stops that person working for a week, and has an affect on the overall economy.
I would not support a lockdown now, but I wouldn’t rule one out in the future. But we do need now greater restrictions now to halt it spreading.
Lockdown has an effect on the economy, but don’t forget the virus itself does. There were 53,000 new cases yesterday (doubled in 6 weeks). We cannot allow it to double again in another 6 weeks. Deaths are low but each infection in a working adult stops that person working for a week, and has an affect on the overall economy.
//There were 53,000 new cases yesterday (doubled in 6 weeks).//
Where do you get this stuff from, Gromit? Leaving aside the fact that it is not good practice to take a single day’s figures for comparison, yesterday’s figure was just over 53,000. Six weeks prior to that (21st October) the figure was 51,819. If you take the far more representative seven day average, yesterday it was 43,940 and on 21st October it was 46,355. The last time the seven day average was half of yesterday’s value was on 2nd July.
//Deaths are low but each infection in a working adult stops that person working for a week, and has an affect on the overall economy.//
But it shouldn’t. There is no reason at all why people who are not ill should stay away from work. It is estimated that true number of infections is at least double that published. The other half of “sufferers” don’t know they have the disease and carry on in ignorance. The country needs to accept that this virus is here to stay. Just out of interest, what would you like to see before you would agree to an end to this nonsense where perfectly well people have to take a week off work?
Where do you get this stuff from, Gromit? Leaving aside the fact that it is not good practice to take a single day’s figures for comparison, yesterday’s figure was just over 53,000. Six weeks prior to that (21st October) the figure was 51,819. If you take the far more representative seven day average, yesterday it was 43,940 and on 21st October it was 46,355. The last time the seven day average was half of yesterday’s value was on 2nd July.
//Deaths are low but each infection in a working adult stops that person working for a week, and has an affect on the overall economy.//
But it shouldn’t. There is no reason at all why people who are not ill should stay away from work. It is estimated that true number of infections is at least double that published. The other half of “sufferers” don’t know they have the disease and carry on in ignorance. The country needs to accept that this virus is here to stay. Just out of interest, what would you like to see before you would agree to an end to this nonsense where perfectly well people have to take a week off work?
// Apparently things tend to mutate to be less harmful. It makes sense because killing off your host is not the best survival strategy.//
best answer as booloo. no they dont
we know they dont
observationally they get MORE virulent as an epidemic goes on
[ as described in other threads Porton down germ warfare techospeak - to make a germ into a weapon ( weaponise as we now say) yo passage thro the human species....]
1688 Defoe - later in the plague you didnt need fleas, it was so virulent you could catch it from patients direct - ( keep away from those wiv bloody spit)
and YES we DO need the cobra la-la
( eerie snake charming muzak plays, girls wiggle their navels)
Sarf Efrica, hasnt it tripled in a week - which means ( can anyone remember the formula connecting doubling time and R number?) that R is greater than 2 ?
best answer as booloo. no they dont
we know they dont
observationally they get MORE virulent as an epidemic goes on
[ as described in other threads Porton down germ warfare techospeak - to make a germ into a weapon ( weaponise as we now say) yo passage thro the human species....]
1688 Defoe - later in the plague you didnt need fleas, it was so virulent you could catch it from patients direct - ( keep away from those wiv bloody spit)
and YES we DO need the cobra la-la
( eerie snake charming muzak plays, girls wiggle their navels)
Sarf Efrica, hasnt it tripled in a week - which means ( can anyone remember the formula connecting doubling time and R number?) that R is greater than 2 ?
// There is no reason at all why people who are not ill should stay away from work. //
Given that we'er talking about people who have Covid and a good chance they will infect others its hard to understand why anyone would go against all the advice from the doctors and scientists and health professionals. Some employers dont want you in- they require prof of negative tests . Just repeating the same nonsense achieve's nothing newjudge.
Given that we'er talking about people who have Covid and a good chance they will infect others its hard to understand why anyone would go against all the advice from the doctors and scientists and health professionals. Some employers dont want you in- they require prof of negative tests . Just repeating the same nonsense achieve's nothing newjudge.
//Just repeating the same nonsense achieve's nothing newjudge.//
The "nonsense" is that at least half the people infected with the virus don't know they have it and carry on with their lives in blissful ignorance. They are just as likely to infect others as those who know they are infected and go into self-isolation. So the economic damage which you mentioned earlier (not to mention all the other varieties of harm) inflicted by those isolating is largely pointless. Lockdowns and isolation do not rid us of the virus. They might slow its spread a little, but to what end? How do you propose this anomaly is overcome? Compulsory testing for the entire population every other day? Because without such a measurer isolating only half the sufferers is somewhat limited in its effect. Are we to expect these knee-jerk reactions every time a new variant arises? How long do you expect this to go on?
The "nonsense" is that at least half the people infected with the virus don't know they have it and carry on with their lives in blissful ignorance. They are just as likely to infect others as those who know they are infected and go into self-isolation. So the economic damage which you mentioned earlier (not to mention all the other varieties of harm) inflicted by those isolating is largely pointless. Lockdowns and isolation do not rid us of the virus. They might slow its spread a little, but to what end? How do you propose this anomaly is overcome? Compulsory testing for the entire population every other day? Because without such a measurer isolating only half the sufferers is somewhat limited in its effect. Are we to expect these knee-jerk reactions every time a new variant arises? How long do you expect this to go on?
.The "nonsense" is that at least half the people infected with the virus don't know they have it
and nonsense it is!
In our cross-sectional study, 1.82% of 330 asymptomatic confined individuals living in the community carried SARS-CoV-2 despite no contact with declared cases, raising concerns about unnoticed transmission.
oopth, variation of carrier rate of 20x - well that is OK for AB innit?
carry on blaarting !
and nonsense it is!
In our cross-sectional study, 1.82% of 330 asymptomatic confined individuals living in the community carried SARS-CoV-2 despite no contact with declared cases, raising concerns about unnoticed transmission.
oopth, variation of carrier rate of 20x - well that is OK for AB innit?
carry on blaarting !
yes.
were you the one ridiculing people ( Khandro) who collected info on people? You have forgotten I claimed three Nobel prizes all in the same year and that I was the secret Housewife superstar. Did I mention the resurrected messiah ( sundays only)? I am working on the virgin mary
Bad - is h news - NJ said half of the 50 000 cases were dobly jabbed
and
tonight - is he psychic?
Of the 22 ticketed omicron covid in the UK at present - 12 had been double jabbed. oops
Early days for case ratios ( not rates, NJ) [ 12/22 is a ratio] and they are known to over -estimate early on.
were you the one ridiculing people ( Khandro) who collected info on people? You have forgotten I claimed three Nobel prizes all in the same year and that I was the secret Housewife superstar. Did I mention the resurrected messiah ( sundays only)? I am working on the virgin mary
Bad - is h news - NJ said half of the 50 000 cases were dobly jabbed
and
tonight - is he psychic?
Of the 22 ticketed omicron covid in the UK at present - 12 had been double jabbed. oops
Early days for case ratios ( not rates, NJ) [ 12/22 is a ratio] and they are known to over -estimate early on.
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