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goes too far in my opinion... it's wrong and just seems like an excuse to treat people terribly.

i do support restrictions on the unvaccinated (e.g. vaccine passes) as a regrettable measure but to do this is just wrong. The state should be covering the medical bills of its citizens regardless of whether it approves of them or not... especially those who cannot afford it themselves.
I don't even support restrictions on unvaccinated people, tbh (and I have had them). That isn't a guarantee of not passing it on, and, is only a different form of blackmail.
There are no restrictions - only choices.

If you choose to climb Ben Nevis in flip flops in winter, and somebody has to come out to rescue you, you might reasonably expect to pay for that rescue service. If you're very lucky you may not have to, but it would be reasonable to expect to. And note that your choices end up putting other peoples' lives at risk.

If the world is hit by a global pandemic, and your government uses taxpayers' money to develop and distribute a vaccine, and you choose not to take that vaccine, and you catch the virus and end up very ill in hospital with it, and you are rescued, you might reasonably expect to pay your government for that rescue service - especially if you were told in advance that this was your choice.
I agree with it. Going one step further, all unvaccinated should have a pre paid funeral plan in place!
Ellipsis, that’s a poor analogy and quite illogical. Having unknown chemicals forcibly injected into your body is not only unacceptably intrusive, it smacks of something far more sinister. This must be a choice.
naomi24
Ellipsis, that’s a poor analogy and quite illogical. Having unknown chemicals forcibly injected into your body is not only unacceptably intrusive, it smacks of something far more sinister. This must be a choice.

Utter rubbish
What is unknown about the chemicals ?
Unless you are buying your vaccine from eBay the vaccines issued by governments have been stringently and rigorously tested
As you can be vaccinated and contract covid and die, perhaps everybody should have a funeral plan in place. Not just the unvaccinated people.
Ellipsis, I don’t know what chemicals are in the vaccine or the effect they might have in the human body. Do you? I’ve had both vaccines and the booster but that was my choice. I would not want that choice taken away.
cashier
As you can be vaccinated and contract covid and die, perhaps everybody should have a funeral plan in place. Not just the unvaccinated people.

Reality check :
We are all going to die
But you have a chance to lessen and minimise an early demise struggling for breath as panic sets in at the dawning realisation of what is happening to you
All you have to do is get a vaccine and follow some simple and basic rules
What do you know about them, sb? We already know they are fatal, or give longterm problems to some people. They aren't technically entirely "safe". Nobody knows the potential effects in a year, 5, 25 or 50.
I go with what scientists think, to a point, but, I don't believe them infallible.
naomi24
Ellipsis, I don’t know what chemicals are in the vaccine or the effect they might have in the human body. Do you? I’ve had both vaccines and the booster but that was my choice. I would not want that choice taken away.

I believe that was aimed at me but you have used the name of Ellipsis in reply

So you do not want that choice taken away ?
But you are happy to gamble your life with what you claim to be unknown chemicals as a matter of choice ?
Odd mindset !
The nature of this virus and the catastrophic effects on healthcare globally have made many governments come to the realisation that if you are not willing to have the vaccine of your own free will then you must pay if you are going to risk overstretching an already struggling health service provider in whatever country
It's all choices.

A government chooses to develop a vaccine.
A government chooses to distribute that vaccine and make it freely available to its citizens.
A citizen chooses to have the vaccine or not.
A government chooses to pay for unvaccinated citizens' treatment or not.

> Having unknown chemicals forcibly injected into your body

Only two problems with that sentence, "unknown" and "forcibly" ...
pixie374
What do you know about them, sb? We already know they are fatal, or give longterm problems to some people
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Again utter rubbish
The amount of people who have died globally as a result of having a covid vaccine are so infinite in comparison to covid deaths that they do not even register
The idiocy and conspiracy theory mindset around the whole vaccine programme globally has meant that governments are having to resort to mandatory vaccines or major restrictions for the anti vaxers
The more this pandemic festers the more it becomes a non negotiable in regards to taking the vaccine
If you want to avoid it but clog up your countries health care system if you become ill then some will legislate that you must pay for your non compliance to a reasonable request
Stickybottle, yes, sorry, it was in response to your post … I wouldn’t describe it as ‘aimed’ though. That sounds quite aggressive.

Moving on. I don’t believe preferring a personal choice is an odd mindset. Rather I choose to put my life at risk than allow you or anyone else to choose on my behalf. If anyone forced to have that vaccine dies will the government that imposes the requirement by guilty of manslaughter? That’s quite a responsibility isn’t it?
naomi24
Stickybottle, yes, sorry, it was in response to your post … I wouldn’t describe it as ‘aimed’ though. That sounds quite aggressive.

Moving on. I don’t believe preferring a personal choice is an odd mindset. Rather I choose to put my life at risk than allow you or anyone else to choose on my behalf. If anyone forced to have that vaccine dies will the government that imposes the requirement by guilty of manslaughter? That’s quite a responsibility isn’t it?

Ah the all encompassing word
If

One death from compulsory vaccination would indeed be a tragedy and I am sure the family of that person would be handsomely compensated

I shall use the word If now
If this virus continues to mutate as we expect what shall we do if it variates into one that instead of attacking the elderly and those with predisposed health conditions it starts to affect the very young and even infants ?
How irresponsible of a government that it did not vaccinate as it does for mmr and bcg etc ?
Scientists are looking to solve this problem when it mutates every few months
The least we could do is do our bit and do what is right and proper
Civil liberties will have to be curbed a little if you do not want health services globally to struggle and ultimately fail to meet demand in possible future crises
The family would be compensated … and that makes it alright. Are you serious?

As far as I’m aware no vaccine is compulsory and that’s the way it MUST stay. Come the day you disagree with something threatening to remove your choices about what happens to your body, you’ll change your mind.
I didn't need a reality check thank you. Also, not that is has anything to do with you, I have had three vaccinations. I don't need to be lectured by somebody who thinks they know best.
Who are you talking to, cashier?
We need to do what is right and proper? People can decide to do what is right and proper for them, not be dictated to.

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