Yet Another Dead Anti-Vaxer - One Day They Might Learn.

[Canary42]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/fit-healthy-man-42-southport-130039132.html

[ToraToraTora]

sadly they wont learn because they ain't right in the loaf to begin with. They are like the moon hoax morons, no amount of evidence will convince them because they have got it into their brain cell that it's all a massive conspiracy to control them. The bloke himself probably thinks he was poisoned by the government to cover up their grand scheme. Oddly enough these are usually the same people that tell us the government can't organise a peece up in a brewery!

[CrapAtCryptics]

Natural selection.......

[Sqad]

I really don't know how to put this tactfully and I am not familiar with the facts of this case anI am not sure that I should post at all....BUT.......

The standard of health care varies markedly between NHS hospitals and that includes the management of respiratory complications of Covid.

Clearly, he should have been vaccinated, but inthis case, I feel that lack of vaccinations was not the whole story.

I may well be off course.

[jim360]

Just to be clear to TTT and others, this person was more arrogant than a conspirator. It's a fact of Covid that, for the most part, younger people with no underlying health issues are less likely to die from Covid than the older or sicker. It's sadly easy in those circumstances to assume that you are largely "safe" from Covid if you fall into that age group. He shouldn't have refused the vaccine, and paid the ultimate price for that, but I have some sympathy for his feeling that Covid was not so much a threat to him. I've felt the same way -- and, on a larger scale, it's also not unreasonable. Of the 140,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in England and Wales (ONS figures), only 1% are in people aged under 45. This implies an order 1/10,000 chance of dying having caught Covid if you're under the age of 45.** So this man was clearly unlucky. Still, you make your own luck. Taking the vaccine would surely have made a huge difference.


**Again, this is a ballpark figure, rather than an exact value. There's also still some reasons to assume large age variations even within the under-45 age group, to say nothing of other factors like underlying health conditions, sex, etc.

[Ellipsis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards

[Peter Pedant]

// I may well be off course.//

45 is young - and he will have had childhood vaccinations, no nonsense!

I may well be off course. - - er no the medical profession seems to be full of it this week. Speccie ( elsewhere on this site) has a prof of vaccinology and ctr modelling
and she actually says
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"well our models were quite good, and we expected a fall in cases, and now we have one, we are not sure if the models are correct (!) "

and there are sardonic comments like: whenn you model something arent you meant to say that you think it works. And not - 'here is a model and it is crap?'

I just thought Jesus

[naomi24]

Sad. Poor man.

[youngmafbog]

His choice. For all you know he might have been one of the very few who reacted to the vaccine.

Life is all about balancing your risk. I ride a motorbike my chances of dying are clearly higher when riding - but I still do it.

[pastafreak]

I too feel sorry for him. Comparing this to Darwin awards really isn't fair. He made the choice...hopefully...with enough knowledge. It wasn't the correct choice.

[Peter Pedant]

The speccie viddie


where she says she has a model and has no idea if it the right one. Blimey.

[Peter Pedant]

// For all you know he might have been one of the very few who reacted to the vaccine.//

erm no we know he wasnt as he didnt have it.

(I am missing something arent I)

[youngmafbog]

Yes you are PP.

Canary is slating him for not having the 'vaccine' that may have stopped him dying. But, I am saying he may well have been one of the unfortunate (very very) few who reacted to the vaccine. We dont know.

[Untitled]

i have a lot more sympathy for him than I do for people who spread (or believe) misinformation... there are all kinds of reasons one might refuse a vaccine. As Jim points out he gambled on the very strong likelihood that he would be alright and it is cruel and tragic that he was wrong.

[Untitled]

also it is very unfortunate that the tone of coverage regarding this man's death has been to underline his mistake in a way that frankly puts him in a very bad light... but perhaps it is justifiable if it encourages younger people to get vaccinated.

[jno]

or of course he might have tripped over on the doorstep while entering the vaccination centre, hit his head and died. If he'd got that far without being run over by a bus. If he'd got as far as the bus-stop without being killed in a drive-by shooting. Life is so perilous.

Still, we don't know if he was an anti-vaxxer in principle; he might just have though he personally shouldn't need one, being youngish and fit; and that's not a loony conclusion, even if it proved wrong.

[andy-hughes]

I think it is a tragedy, and this man deserves our sympathy more than our condemnation.

He made a decision for which he has paid the ultimate price, but that's the benefit of living in a free society - people are able to make choices that are by no means the best for them.

But I don't believe that entitles any of us to scoff from the moral high ground - a man has died, and a family are bereaved, and pointing and hooting is never an approproate response to that, no matter what the circumstances.

[Stickybottle]

Idiocy will always exacerbate natural selection

[Peter Pedant]

YMF
I didnt have something that would have saved me becuse it may not have saved me....
erm yeah OK - this is AB

[david small]

A sad article about a decent man. But, we don’t know all the details. As Sqad points out, underlying causes? R.I.P.