Javid Contracts Foot In Mouth

[Gromit]

130,000 have died, 1 million active cases, thousands in hospital.
Javid is fortunate to get a mild dose so he is telling people not to cower over covid.
Even if he doesn’t give a toss about people who have lost a loved one, it is a stupid and insensitive thing to say.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/sajid-javids-advice-to-not-cower-from-covid-provokes-angry-backlash

[pixie374]

David, some people have dementia, some are too young to really understand, but old enough to notice the difference. We need to also consider mental health, appropriate experiences for children, businesses and other illnesses being ignored, as well. It's a balance.

[pixie374]

Not David, bobbin, sorry x

[bobbinwales]

Well I doubt the 5 yr old listens to Chris witty briefings or to the health secretary's interviews

[ichkeria]

I agree with New Judge very much.
Tho I don’t blame Mr Javid for deleting his tweet.
All he’s saying is let’s not be cowed by this.
It shouldn’t be IMO in any way disrespectful or insensitive to the bereaved. Or at least, it plainly was taken that way. That’s why you have to be careful what you say: sometimes tho it’s impossible to predict how people will take things and I don’t blame him for not seeing that coming

[Sqad]

Let's hope that you are correct Ich, as if you are not then we are heading for an other lockdown in the autumn, more deaths and possibly another nasty, virulent variants.

I would not like to be the PM of either persuasion to have to make those sort of decisions on a salary of £160,000 per annum.

[Gromit]

// few sufferers will suffer serious illness or death. //

There were 86 deaths yesterday. Can you imagine their relatives hearing Javid telling them to stop cowering?

[naomi24]

Gromit, I’ll ask again. Are you cowering?

[New Judge]

//There were 86 deaths yesterday.//

You are wrong. In fact if it was a typical day there were probably more than 1,500 deaths from all causes. But of course only the families of the 86 Covid victims were mournful. Those of the other 1,414 (or thereabouts) were jumping for joy, no doubt. Some of them would almost certainly have died from conditions which had remained either undiagnosed and/or untreated during the last year or so. But of course they don't matter.

The government and the rest of us cannot prevent everybody dying from everything. But it is clear from your statement about the 86 that we must prevent, at all costs, anybody dying from Covid, even if it means people may remain untreated for other equally life-threatening conditions. How long do you propose that situation should prevail? Covid is now currently a minor contributor to the overall number of daily deaths. Heart disease and dementia claim far more victims each and every day. It may not remain that way, but it is at present and has been for some time. Mr Javid was foolish to delete his Tweet. The country does need to live with the virus and not further destroy the economy and the population's health and wellbeing in a foolish attempt to eradicate it.

[archibaldy]

Personally I believe his message is right but very poor choice of phrasing by focussing on a negative action such as cowering rather than a positive, e.g. combat.

[david small]

Just to clarify. It is my son’s father in law. Not my father who is suffering. My father left this veil of tears 40 years ago.

[New Judge]

Sorry, david. I probably first sewed that confusion.

[gulliver1]

14 29, Stop making a fool of yourself .

[jourdain2]

14.53 Well said, New Judge. That sort of message should be broadcast loudly every day and end this 'new & improved' Project Fear'.

[youngmafbog]

The only think Javid has done wrong is to delete his tweet(Well the other thing was of course to subscribe to TwitFace in the first place).

The people with Coviditus really need to get a grip, the country has to get moving or there wont be any money for our 'Amazing' NHS to treat your beloved Covid. As NJ points out it is no longer a major contributor to deaths.

The vaccines are working and together with immunity from people catching it and recovering (the majority of those getting it of course) we are in a good place.

I'm also sick to death of stats being manipulated, percentages used when numbers are low to scare those that dont understand stats and graphs that are using out of date data with modelling that is beyond belief.

[youngmafbog]

//There were 86 deaths yesterday//

Assuming you are referring to the covid deaths what was:

1) The number of people who died as a direct result of COVID (ie of not with)

2) The age of the people

3) Vaccinated or not

4) Any underlying conditions.

[Peter Pedant]

I took it as a metaphor
I have a few relatives who are cowering - as in 'I cant go out - - - ever!"

[Mozz71]

Gully- //Stop making a fool of yourself //

Yes Naomi, that's Gulliver's job.

[bobbinwales]

Does it matter youngmaabof. Most probably died of covid since only a small % of people have it it cant be coincidence that they die when they get it. All lives matter- young and old

[youngmafbog]

Actually yes it does matter as it means we can make more involved decisions based on fact.

I believe the vaccines work, but hearing some in 'authority' you would start to think not.

[bobbinwales]

Its a piddling irrelavance though younmadbof- okay maybe 'only' 80 of the 84 died because of covid and the other 4 might of died anyway in the next few days but its the best measure we have apart from the higher excess death's , but that's been done to death and some still dont see it