Tories Fail On Immigration?

[Khandro]

What do I think of the Conservatives’ performance on immigration over the past ten years? After a good(ish) start, which saw the introduction of some sensible measures, it has been downhill. Their record over the past five years, however, has been little short of abysmal.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/05/11/exclusive-migration-watch-slams-tories-abject-failure-on-borders-after-11-years-in-govt/

If Breitbart doesn't report on it, who will (apart from Nigel that is.) nothing at all from MSM.

[Untitled]

Brexit was largely about immigration according to the people who voted for it at the time...

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/immigration-now-top-issue-voters-eu-referendum

interestingly more people as time has gone by have defended their choice to vote leave based on the 'sovereignty' argument than actually did in 2016... i.e. it was actually about immigration back then, but nobody wants to admit that now...

Breitbart is an extreme right wing squawking-box with extremely low reliability... if they are "reporting" on something and it so happens that nobody else it is, then it is probably because they are making it up....

[emmie]

no idea theshedman, he does make us laugh

[Khandro]

Untitled; The report in the Breitbart article is from Migration Watch. Instead of giving us your false view of the article & your suggestion that it is made-up, it would serve your case better if you could point out some factual errors to substantiate this claim.

[emmie]

I honestly don't think it was entirely about immigration, there is so much more to Brexit than that. Perhaps like me people were fed up with seeing large scale wonga going to EU with seemingly nothing to show for it,

[Untitled]

Not entirely emmie no but Brexit would have been dead in the water without immigration.

Khandro:

it is undoubtedly true that the tories have not kept their promise about 'tens of thousands', because it was an utterly ridiculous promise to make in the first place... This country's population is aging - even moreso now than 11 years ago - and has labour shortages in many key parts of the economy... we also have many excellent universities that are very popular on the world stage, and there are 'hundreds of thousands' of foreign students alone - whom the government ludicrously labels as long-term migrants - which make a huge financial contribution to our universities. So I think this country needs immigrants regardless of whether blustering right wingers like it or not.

So yes the tories have failed... at a stupid and wasteful task that they set themselves and swallowed by gullible tory voters.

[emmie]

so gullible that we won, labour, tories, lib dems, greens all voted, many for Brexit.

[dannyk13]

Untitled, are you confusing immigrants with illegal immigrants?

[Theland]

Baloney ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆
Immigration is ruining this country.
We are like a sub province of India, Pakistan or Africa.

[Untitled]

the OP is not exclusively about illegal immigration danny - it is having a go at the government for failing on its 'tens of thousands' promise, and only mentions illegal immigration (which is a problem) halfway down.

so no I am not getting them confused.

[Untitled]

How on earth are we like a 'sub province of india pakistan or africa' Theland?

[gulliver1]

Of course Brexit was all about immigration, but it has kept the wrong immigrants out, the ones we needed for the NHS, Nurses Doctors etc have left , and the criminal non working Benefit scroungers are still coming in by the boatload , But you can't tell people like Danny that . He suffers from tunnel vision and believes everything Boris tells him.

[Theland]

Untitled @ 15:43 :-
Because our society is influenced too much by the huge numbers of immigrants from those countries and their religions.
We have got to the stage where it is considered strange to be white, male, heterosexual, and patriotic.

[Untitled]

And that's like India, Pakistan and "Africa" is it?

[theshedman]

So gulliver if as you say "Of course Brexit was all about immigration, but it has kept the wrong immigrants out, the ones we needed for the NHS, Nurses Doctors etc have left" what difference does it make to you when you say you don't live here. Why do you need the NHS as you say you do or are you one of the ones that live abroad but come back when they want free treatment.

[New Judge]

//08.08 But these arriving now ain't E/U Immigrants, are they , thats why Brexit was a waste of time.//

I’ll only explain once gully because you never listen. One of the aims in leaving the EU was to remove the right of 450m EU citizens to live and work in (i.e. migrate to) the UK. This was perfectly legal migration and it is now no longer an option for those 450m people.

The people who are still arriving here in the backs of lorries and in rubber boats from France are not among those 450m people and they are illegal migrants. Brexit never was advertised as a solution to that problem.

//i.e. it was actually about immigration back then, but nobody wants to admit that now...//

They have no need to hide their motives. There is no reason to be ashamed of wanting to control who is allowed to settle in the country and I don’t know why there is so much stigma attached to those who want to see that control. Even if Brexit was “all about immigration” (which it most certainly wasn’t) so what?

//….but it has kept the wrong immigrants out, the ones we needed for the NHS, Nurses Doctors etc have left ,//

Why do you believe it is acceptable for the UK to rely of medical staff who have been trained at the expense of another country? How would you feel if a large proportion of medical staff trained in the UK upped sticks to work elsewhere when they had completed their training? The UK should not depend on skilled foreign labour to run its health services.

[Untitled]

"I don’t know why there is so much stigma attached to those who want to see that control. Even if Brexit was “all about immigration” (which it most certainly wasn’t) so what? "

Brexit would have been nothing but a fringe obsession that got nowhere without immigration. It was the make-or-break issue for the leave vote's victory.

All these euphemisms about "wanting more control" or "having concerns" always amount to the same thing when you drill down... an irrational hatred or dislike of foreigners in some way shape or form, exemplified in this thread by Theland's muddled posts above... but elsewhere by Farage's "feeling uncomfortable" (another euphemism) when he hears other people who aren't speaking to him using foreign languages on trains... the kind of people that all of us know with a chocolate-box, christmas-card image of Britain in their mind unsullied by nasty "foreign" influences... people who simply ignore the inconvenient facts regarding the necessity of immigrantion to many key sectors of our economy.

[emmie]

from my time recently in hospital, no one has left, they are still there, working away feverishly in this time of covid. Gulliver you really should check facts before posting tripe.

[Untitled]

it is necessary to rely on foreign labour in healthcare because our aging population requires an absolutely huge number of staff and unless a massive chunk of our young were compelled to train in healthcare (and even then it would take a decade or so...) we need another way to meet demand.

I don't have a problem with medical staff seeking the best opportunities for themselves like anyone else does personally...

[emmie]

living in the capital i see the down side of mass immigration, illegal or legal, its had a massive impact here, some good but a lot bad. The woke brigade are turning it into a home for the fallouts from the African, Asian sub continent. many of whom we can't get rid of, those who land here illegally have got lawyers queuing up to take their cases, we should be shipping them to France, or back home.