Anyone Been Watching The Derek Chauvin Trial?

[Spicerack]

I presume we're allowed to talk about it as it's all live-streamed on US tv.

[Untitled]

No Zacs. I was asking because earlier you seemed to think it was 'ridiculous' to say he deserved to die because of his behaviour, and then said you had no moral problem with it a few minutes later... so I was wondering if there was another factor. I'm glad that you clarified.

[Zacs-Master]

'Zacs, if you "interpret" something I haven't directly said, it's you'

Eh? what are you talking about? All the misinterpretation is yours.

I seriously think you have a problem logically following an argument, Pix. You do it on other threads all the time, particularly with Naomi.

[Untitled]

Disagree pixie... I think if someone genuinely believes that Floyd deserved to die in the manner that he did then that is an excellent indicator of psychopathy...

[Zacs-Master]

Untitled - You're glad that I clarified your completely made up, zero evidence based accusation of me being a racist?

'I was asking because earlier you seemed to think it was 'ridiculous' to say he deserved to die because of his behaviour, and then said you had no moral problem with it a few minutes later'

How on earth does that suggest any racist angle to my posts?

[pixie374]

Naomi is constantly irrational and changeable. I am a bit "mr spock " at times, I know.

[shoota]

Pix - going by the guidance from the Police Dept. if he turned up at the scene to find an arrestee resisting violently he would have been within regulations to taser or strike him.
By wrestling him to the ground and using body weight as a restraint he was actually using less force than he could have...

'Nelson also once again put the use of pressure and body weight techniques in a favorable light. The state wants to present Chauvin’s knee in a negative light, as deadly mechanical asphyxiation, or as a “blood choke” as attested to by MMA Williams. In fact, however, the use of pressure and body weight to restrain a suspect was adopted by the MPD because it was a lesser intensity of force than the prior practice of using strikes—either barehanded, or with batons, or even with weighted gloves—to compel compliance. Mercil concurred.

The take home message for the jury is that Chauvin’s knee, far from being a public execution in a public street, was a lesser force than would otherwise have been required.'

As far as I can see unless the prosecution can find a diary with 'Today I am going to kill someone' written on the appropriate date the murder charges are out of the window. I don't fully understand the workings of the US manslaughter so can only say that it may still be a runner - but I doubt it.

[pixie374]

Untitled, it's irrational and cruel, but not literally psychopathy. I have been on here long enough to see that zacs is not a psychopath (or anyone i can think of).

[Zacs-Master]

Your completely the opposite of Mr Spock. You're repeated suggestions of what I might be saying are completely .....illogical.

[naomi24]

You have delusions of grandeur, pixie. You’re no Mr Spock. Not even close.

[Zacs-Master]

I wonder what qualifications Untitled has which lead him to make such an expert diagnosis of my psyche. You might not like what I say, Untitled but that in no way infers I'm a psychopath. Or a racist!!!

[pixie374]

Thanks, shoots x that makes sense. My view is that Chauvin never set out to cause harm. But even when he realised he was, continued to behave the same. When you know someone is having trouble breathing, most people's reactions would be to get help ASAP. Where- he continued to kneel on him, with one hand in his pocket.... would you employ him for the police, with what you know?

[pixie374]

Zacs, questions about what you are saying. Please don't pretend to be stupid. I know you aren't x

[Untitled]

If you believe he deserved to die... then yes, you lack empathy Zacs. And you clearly have trouble seeing others as properly human.

I asked if race was a factor for you because it is for many people who vent their spleen at Floyd personally. You explained that it wasn't. Didn't "accuse" you of anything.

[shoota]

There is no doubt that Police forces do get some who are attracted by the opportunity to be physical from time to time.
They are more often than not sorted out by their colleagues.
I also know that (in the UK, I don't know about the US) there is a sort of belief that if you aren't attracting complaints you aren't working hard enough. You get complaints for everything, I had one for being 'too polite'...

[pixie374]

Thankfully, shoota, you and Danny alone, show that police officers aren't always arrogant thugs. But we've also had different ones on here, who were.
Mine is obviously an unpopular view, but I would actually expect them to behave better than "most people".

[youngmafbog]

ZM a psychopath and a racist. Haha I have seen it all now.

ZM and I have had many run-ins but let me assure you Untitled (or should it be unhinged looking at the rantings on this post) ZM has never displayed the traits of a psychopath nor has he ever displayed and signs of being a racist.

I think an apology is in order for this one.

[shoota]

Chauvin's handling of the situation may have been coloured by his previous knowledge of Floyd but really I don't know what else he could have done.
If he'd tasered him and caused a heart attack he'd have been in it.
If he sticked him he would have had to hit him very hard to knock him over given his size and would probably have caused serious injury.
If he'd managed to get him in to a Police vehicle alive he would have been in trouble when the O/D kicked in.
What else could he have done?

[pixie374]

I don't know, shoots- but a tasering could have been seen as an accidental result. To spend nearly 10 minutes leaning on someone saying they can't breathe, surely can only be seen as at least partly deliberate? He already had complaints against him... but decided this was worth the risk? If it had been a standard cop... it may have been understandable, but for someone already known as a problem, I just can't imagine he did himself any favours.

[AuntPollyGrey]

// To spend nearly 10 minutes leaning on someone saying they can't breathe//

Have you seen the whole video? To start with its only 8 minutes long, secondly the video shows the officer had his knee initially on Chauvins shoulder not his neck

[shoota]

Initially, when it first hit the news, I did think that maybe Chauvin was in someway involved in the supply of drugs or counterfeit notes and that he had taken Floyd out to keep him quiet. Had something along those lines been the case I'm sure it would have come to light by now.
Now, when more details are known, I can see that Chauvin and the other cops are on a hiding to nothing given the weak heart and drug ingestion of Floyd.
I believe he would have died at that moment whether he was being knelt on, in the recovery position or in a feather bed.