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Jab Passports After All Adults Have Been Offered A Vaccine?
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I fly a fair bit - correction - I did fly a fair bit before the world went mad, usually at least half a dozen times a year, and I cannot remember the last time my passport wasn't scanned at each end, whether it be by somebody in a booth or self-
08:57 Fri 26th Mar 2021
"I agree with your last part, ich. But none of the rest :-). We knew and chose to allow it into the UK, they were far too slow and soft at the beginning. Then they randomly lifted different restrictions, and pretty much everyone I know, ignored that, as the risk was obviously still there. It should have been short and harsh at the start, instead of waiting until it really took hold. "
Well, perhaps, but I think that is very unlikely to actually have happened. And keeping it out of the UK also would have its downside, if it was raging everywhere else.
I'm afraid they are called pandemics for a reason: unless you are an island in the middle of nowhere, easily isolated and used moreover to being that way, you have no chance of doing anything other than ridig the waves as best you can.
Well, perhaps, but I think that is very unlikely to actually have happened. And keeping it out of the UK also would have its downside, if it was raging everywhere else.
I'm afraid they are called pandemics for a reason: unless you are an island in the middle of nowhere, easily isolated and used moreover to being that way, you have no chance of doing anything other than ridig the waves as best you can.
So many different point being discussed on this thread but in support of 237 (who surely knows as well as anyone on here) in case she looks in that the last time I returned from Menorca in September 20, along with the normal twice a year trips I've made there for years, our passports were only looked at and 100% definitely not scanned at Menorca airport on departure.
Ich, not only "unlikely" to have happened... it didn't! Yes, we are an island and had the perfect defence actually, if we had been brave enough to use it. It would have caused some problems of course, but also avoided.... how many UK deaths now? How many bankrupt businesses? Sometimes, you have to look longterm and not just what is more popular or easier.
//You don't need a passport on the way out, nobody gives a toss if you're leaving they only want to know who's coming in.//
Yes you do. Airlines have the responsibility of ensuring you have the correct documentation to enter the country of your destination. If you don’t and are refused entry the airline must meet the cost of returning you whence you came (including paying your accommodation costs if you cannot be returned immediately). The airlines are also responsible for checking that you have completed your API submission (which they cannot do without your passport). So they do give a toss. If you turn up at an airport without a passport to travel on an international flight you will not be permitted to travel. You may be able to identify yourself satisfactorily with a photocard driving licence but that will not allow you entry to a foreign country. Some airlines have non-passport arrangements for domestic flights.
//Businesses can choose who to serve based on whether they've been vaccinated or not. An example that comes to mind is a B&B: if a couple of unvaccinated black homosexuals want to stay over, they'll be able to be turned away on the basis that they haven't been vaccinated. Likewise, a cake shop can refuse to bake for an unvaccinated couple wanting a gay wedding celebration cake.//
It's not quite that simple. Many people from ethnic minorities or different religions suggest they will refuse to have the vaccine on either cultural or religious grounds. If establishments deny entry to those who have not taken the vaccine those minorities will argue that the rule discriminates against them on the basis of their race or religion. Using your example if, say, gay people in general would choose not to take the vaccine because they believed it has an adverse effect on them, then refusing services to unvaccinated people would indirectly discriminate against gay people. Sexuality is a protected characteristic and the courts may well find that unlawful discrimination had been effected.
Yes you do. Airlines have the responsibility of ensuring you have the correct documentation to enter the country of your destination. If you don’t and are refused entry the airline must meet the cost of returning you whence you came (including paying your accommodation costs if you cannot be returned immediately). The airlines are also responsible for checking that you have completed your API submission (which they cannot do without your passport). So they do give a toss. If you turn up at an airport without a passport to travel on an international flight you will not be permitted to travel. You may be able to identify yourself satisfactorily with a photocard driving licence but that will not allow you entry to a foreign country. Some airlines have non-passport arrangements for domestic flights.
//Businesses can choose who to serve based on whether they've been vaccinated or not. An example that comes to mind is a B&B: if a couple of unvaccinated black homosexuals want to stay over, they'll be able to be turned away on the basis that they haven't been vaccinated. Likewise, a cake shop can refuse to bake for an unvaccinated couple wanting a gay wedding celebration cake.//
It's not quite that simple. Many people from ethnic minorities or different religions suggest they will refuse to have the vaccine on either cultural or religious grounds. If establishments deny entry to those who have not taken the vaccine those minorities will argue that the rule discriminates against them on the basis of their race or religion. Using your example if, say, gay people in general would choose not to take the vaccine because they believed it has an adverse effect on them, then refusing services to unvaccinated people would indirectly discriminate against gay people. Sexuality is a protected characteristic and the courts may well find that unlawful discrimination had been effected.
"Ich, not only "unlikely" to have happened... it didn't! Yes, we are an island and had the perfect defence actually, if we had been brave enough to use it. It would have caused some problems of course, but also avoided.... how many UK deaths now? How many bankrupt businesses? Sometimes, you have to look longterm and not just what is more popular or easier. "
We might be (a set) island(s) but not isolated.
No country in the world of any importance has managed to stave off the virus to any real degree so while yes, in theory we could have done this and we could have done that, the likelihood that it might actually have happened is so remote as not to be worth hand-wringng over.
As for bankrupt business, there might have been more, actually, because I don't see how you could have got away without an even more drastic lockdown, put in place in an emergency before there were any financial safeguards in place.
My main gripe with the government actually is trying to talk up things that were not worth talking up: whether it was "we'll be back to normal by summer (2020!), we'll have a wonderful test and trace etc etc. The only thing that has been wonderful in the vaccination programme. The rest has been pretty much disastrous, but look around the world and it's pretty bad there too.
We might be (a set) island(s) but not isolated.
No country in the world of any importance has managed to stave off the virus to any real degree so while yes, in theory we could have done this and we could have done that, the likelihood that it might actually have happened is so remote as not to be worth hand-wringng over.
As for bankrupt business, there might have been more, actually, because I don't see how you could have got away without an even more drastic lockdown, put in place in an emergency before there were any financial safeguards in place.
My main gripe with the government actually is trying to talk up things that were not worth talking up: whether it was "we'll be back to normal by summer (2020!), we'll have a wonderful test and trace etc etc. The only thing that has been wonderful in the vaccination programme. The rest has been pretty much disastrous, but look around the world and it's pretty bad there too.
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read what the judge says, read the BA.
read what the judge says, read the BA.
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