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//The NI protocol was because the British Government didn’t want the expense and hassle of a hard border.//
The British government had no intention whatsoever of imposing a hard border in Ireland (from south to north). The expense and hassle of it would not have fallen on us. Come to that nor had Ireland (from north to south). It was only the EU who deemed one to be necessary and it is not entirely clear how they proposed to do so.
However, we are where we are and in order to protect the integrity of the EU's precious Single Market, the UK has, for trade purposes, effectively been split down the Irish Sea and its Single Market has been forfeited. How this government can bleat on about the "dangers to the Union" posed by the threat of Scottish Independence is mysterious and makes me chuckle. It has done more to threaten the integrity of the Union by agreeing to the preposterous Northern Ireland Protocol than Ms Sturgeon ever will.
The British government had no intention whatsoever of imposing a hard border in Ireland (from south to north). The expense and hassle of it would not have fallen on us. Come to that nor had Ireland (from north to south). It was only the EU who deemed one to be necessary and it is not entirely clear how they proposed to do so.
However, we are where we are and in order to protect the integrity of the EU's precious Single Market, the UK has, for trade purposes, effectively been split down the Irish Sea and its Single Market has been forfeited. How this government can bleat on about the "dangers to the Union" posed by the threat of Scottish Independence is mysterious and makes me chuckle. It has done more to threaten the integrity of the Union by agreeing to the preposterous Northern Ireland Protocol than Ms Sturgeon ever will.
ynnafymmi //Another victim of the "Brexit success story"is our Scottish seed potato industry,made millions of pounds for the Scottish economy by selling to Europe....now thanks to Brexit red tape and the Europeans regarding Britain as a"third"state outside the single market they have stopped buying our seed ptatos and are looking elsewhere. //
Isn't the move at the moment to retaliate about the EU not importing UK shellfish by not importing EU seed potatoes along with drinking water? therefore the Scots can sell their spuds to the rest of the UK.
Btw. How many EU residents eat oysters in their own homes? most shellfish are eaten in the restaurants which are now closed, so it's easy to make a ban. Once they re-open there will be a clamour for all the excellent UK shellfish again, in the meantime .... eat more British caught fish for your enjoyment & help to the industry.
Isn't the move at the moment to retaliate about the EU not importing UK shellfish by not importing EU seed potatoes along with drinking water? therefore the Scots can sell their spuds to the rest of the UK.
Btw. How many EU residents eat oysters in their own homes? most shellfish are eaten in the restaurants which are now closed, so it's easy to make a ban. Once they re-open there will be a clamour for all the excellent UK shellfish again, in the meantime .... eat more British caught fish for your enjoyment & help to the industry.
//...but it is what the British public voted for in 2016.//
No it isn't. They voted to leave the EU. They didn't vote to impose a border which, by and large, had not been in place for most of the last one hundred years. The protection of its single market is entirely a matter for the EU and the UK has no obligation to assist them in that task. The only alternative proposed by the EU was for the whole of the UK to remain in the Customs Union, which would clearly have defeated one of the main points of Brexit. I've no idea why the UK government agreed to the NI Protocol but in my view they should have simply allowed Ireland to act on the instructions of their masters in Brussels and do what they like with the Irish border.
//...in the meantime .... eat more British caught fish for your enjoyment & help to the industry.//
Exactly.
No it isn't. They voted to leave the EU. They didn't vote to impose a border which, by and large, had not been in place for most of the last one hundred years. The protection of its single market is entirely a matter for the EU and the UK has no obligation to assist them in that task. The only alternative proposed by the EU was for the whole of the UK to remain in the Customs Union, which would clearly have defeated one of the main points of Brexit. I've no idea why the UK government agreed to the NI Protocol but in my view they should have simply allowed Ireland to act on the instructions of their masters in Brussels and do what they like with the Irish border.
//...in the meantime .... eat more British caught fish for your enjoyment & help to the industry.//
Exactly.
No one wanted a hard border when asked, but some were being more honest than others.
The major desire to avoid putting one there unnecessarily was to avoid conflict rather than trade hassle. Although the EU didn't let on that they understood that fact.
Consequently demand for the NI border was from the EU who decided they couldn't or wouldn't cope with having and monitoring an open border away from the border itself, peace or no peace; they seem not to have cared about that.
Had B all to do with UK desires or needs. The UK was quite prepared to leave the border as it was; it was an issue only because the EU wouldn't accept the same.
The major desire to avoid putting one there unnecessarily was to avoid conflict rather than trade hassle. Although the EU didn't let on that they understood that fact.
Consequently demand for the NI border was from the EU who decided they couldn't or wouldn't cope with having and monitoring an open border away from the border itself, peace or no peace; they seem not to have cared about that.
Had B all to do with UK desires or needs. The UK was quite prepared to leave the border as it was; it was an issue only because the EU wouldn't accept the same.
sunk: "The NI protocol was because the British Government didn’t want the expense and hassle of a hard border. Brexit was supposed to be about taking back control of our borders, and at the first test we put our hands up and said we dan’t afford to. " - what utter anti British garbage, gawd what is going through that loaf of yours sunk? Only the EUSSR wanted a border and it was up to them to force their poodle Ireland to build one against their will. How can even the most ardent fantasist possibly conclude this is anything other than an EUSSR fiasco? MAABOF!
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I live less than an hour's drive from the Swiss border & can drive in & out of the EU with ease, why can't that happen in Ireland?
The EU knew sweet f.a. about the Irish issues at the start of Brexit negotiations & when it was discovered (but not fully understood) by them, they had a "gottcha" moment & they still think it is. It's time to disabuse them.
The EU knew sweet f.a. about the Irish issues at the start of Brexit negotiations & when it was discovered (but not fully understood) by them, they had a "gottcha" moment & they still think it is. It's time to disabuse them.
//The current compromise suits most people except the ardent Euro sceptics and Unionists,..//
It doesn’t suit me and I doubt it suits many people in Northern Ireland or people in GB who trade with them. It wouldn’t suit the people of the Isle of Wight if all their incoming goods from Southampton were subject to customs restrictions and formalities. To say it suits most people is, I think, subject to challenge.
I’m not tied in any knots at all about the issue. The EU weaponised the Irish border as soon as the referendum result was declared. They were determined to extract the maximum advantage from it and they have succeeded in splitting the United Kingdom into two, maintaining a part of it within their remit. No UK government should have acceded to this and the people of Northern Ireland (citizens of the United Kingdom, remember) have been sold down the river by being placed under the jurisdiction of a foreign power.
// I live less than an hour's drive from the Swiss border & can drive in & out of the EU with ease, why can't that happen in Ireland?//
Switzerland is party to a number of bilateral agreements with the EU on individual issues, including free trade. It is also a member of the Schengen area. This is not good enough for the EU and it is pressing Switzerland to sign up to an over arching “accord”. Switzerland has so far resisted this and negotiations on such an agreement ended a coupe of years ago:
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This matter was revived last year when the EU threatened to rescind Switzerland’s “equivalence” status for financial transactions. I’ve lost track a little of what’s happened more recently.
It doesn’t suit me and I doubt it suits many people in Northern Ireland or people in GB who trade with them. It wouldn’t suit the people of the Isle of Wight if all their incoming goods from Southampton were subject to customs restrictions and formalities. To say it suits most people is, I think, subject to challenge.
I’m not tied in any knots at all about the issue. The EU weaponised the Irish border as soon as the referendum result was declared. They were determined to extract the maximum advantage from it and they have succeeded in splitting the United Kingdom into two, maintaining a part of it within their remit. No UK government should have acceded to this and the people of Northern Ireland (citizens of the United Kingdom, remember) have been sold down the river by being placed under the jurisdiction of a foreign power.
// I live less than an hour's drive from the Swiss border & can drive in & out of the EU with ease, why can't that happen in Ireland?//
Switzerland is party to a number of bilateral agreements with the EU on individual issues, including free trade. It is also a member of the Schengen area. This is not good enough for the EU and it is pressing Switzerland to sign up to an over arching “accord”. Switzerland has so far resisted this and negotiations on such an agreement ended a coupe of years ago:
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This matter was revived last year when the EU threatened to rescind Switzerland’s “equivalence” status for financial transactions. I’ve lost track a little of what’s happened more recently.
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1,000 firms moving to UK
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1,000 firms moving to UK
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"I live less than an hour's drive from the Swiss border & can drive in & out of the EU with ease, why can't that happen in Ireland? "
?? You can - or rather you will once post-virus :-)
As for the issues with Brexit and Ireland, if the EU were ignorant - which they were not - it would have been slightly more understandable whereas why the DUP and other Unionists clamoured for Brexit when by any even half-hard look, it would endanger the union with GB is, well, a mystery.
The DUP have opposed every manifestation of Brexit thus far, which is itself understandable, as there is no satisfactory manifestation if you're a Unionist.
?? You can - or rather you will once post-virus :-)
As for the issues with Brexit and Ireland, if the EU were ignorant - which they were not - it would have been slightly more understandable whereas why the DUP and other Unionists clamoured for Brexit when by any even half-hard look, it would endanger the union with GB is, well, a mystery.
The DUP have opposed every manifestation of Brexit thus far, which is itself understandable, as there is no satisfactory manifestation if you're a Unionist.
As far as I can see no one is travelling across borders in the EUSSR. The "commission" has threatened legal action against 6 states for imposing border controls. I note that the Countries concerned were called "states" by the EUSSR commissar too. The Countries accused of crimes against the bloc's ethos were Germany, Finland, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark and Hungary. Other "states" are using much more underhand ways(you know who I mean). Never mind. What goes around and all that.
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castex visited Dunkirk today
where they demanded more 'freinage'
yeah frain-idge
braking but I cdnt work out whether than is just braking on imports or people coming in from French interior
covid running at 900 units and Nice is in lock down with 600
( new cases per 100 000 per day, I think)
I thought it was freinage to keep the Brits out
where they demanded more 'freinage'
yeah frain-idge
braking but I cdnt work out whether than is just braking on imports or people coming in from French interior
covid running at 900 units and Nice is in lock down with 600
( new cases per 100 000 per day, I think)
I thought it was freinage to keep the Brits out
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