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Boris Fears Democracy.......right Oh!

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ToraToraTora | 14:50 Sun 24th Jan 2021 | News
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https://www.todayonline.com/world/scottish-leader-says-pm-johnson-fears-democracy-over-independence-issue
from the woman who wants to ignore the once in a generation referendum in 2014!
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If she is going to hold a referendum she should be prepared to lay out for the Scottish population what it would mean if she was successful. For example how would she fund the Health Service, Police and emergency services. Where would the money come from for her to continue offer free prescriptions and University places. There are many other things that should...
16:31 Sun 24th Jan 2021
// Gulliver, PP and others can insult at will //
oh we are the main culprits are we? - - - right to!

unhinged.... PP - I thought it would make a nice word salad!
o god some grammarians find the statement: " that is not an ablative absolute" absolutely the end!
Rather than pointless potshots at the SNP, who I don’t care for either, you’d be better employed thinking how Scotland might be persuaded to steer away from the independence path. Or at least to reduce the clamour for a referendum.
Like it or not the SNP is likely to sweep the board at the next election. At the moment I don’t think Sturgeon really wants another referendum but that might change after that election.
OK,Peter.Always remember-keep your tinfoil hat close to hand.
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ich: "I don’t think Sturgeon really wants another referendum" - how'd you work that out? She's obsessed with it!
It's punishment enough for the poor Brits who have no choice, and have to be governed by Johnson at the moment .You can not blame the Scots for wanting to escape from Him
I give up with you Gully.You attack me for attacking Johnson and now you are attacking Johnson.I give up.Are you related to the mods or eds on this site?
Gully is so obsessed with an intrinsic dislike of Boris that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and even Satan himself would be preferable as leaders.
If you think someone has broken the Site Rules, report them and leave it at that.
> you’d be better employed thinking how Scotland might be persuaded to steer away from the independence path

Problem is that if 45% want independence and the SNP is the only party offering it, they get a baked-in head start at each election that they have to work pretty hard to lose. And while the leader always comes from the party founded on delivering independence, independence is never going to be steered away from.
"She lost and should get over it."

If the result of the Brexit referendum had gone the other way, do you think Farage would have accepted it, shrugged his shoulders and gone back to whatever he did before?

Genuine question.
All in favour of letting the Scots go it alone. They're only ten per cent of the UK population and their central proposition, that they're going to be independent inside the EU, is a joke.
One big difference,Jim.Farage never said it would be a once in a lifetime or once in a generation vote.Sturgeon and Salmond did.Looks like they lied.Not unusual for nationalists is it?Look at Trump...or Bolsanaro...or Putin....or Johnson.
The SNP’s main argument for a second referendum so soon after the last is Brexit. Let's have a look at that.

When the Scots voted in their referendum in September 2014 thoughts had indeed been given to a referendum on EU membership and they should have been well aware of it. Ignoring the fact that the question of the UK’s EU membership had been bubbling under (and repressed) for twenty years, in January 2013 David Cameron announced that he would attempt to re-negotiate Britain's terms of membership before holding an in-out referendum no later than two years after the next general election – should he still be Prime Minister. The next GE was due in May 2015. The Conservative party won the GE and Mr Cameron duly went to the EU with his requests for revised terms. He asked for next to nothing and came away with somewhat less than that. But true to his word the referendum was held in June 2016.

So, when the Scots voted in their independence referendum (a) a referendum on EU membership was very likely and (b) there was a very good chance the electorate would choose to leave. To say they were not aware of that likelihood is disingenuous.
> If the result of the Brexit referendum had gone the other way, do you think Farage would have accepted it, shrugged his shoulders and gone back to whatever he did before?

We know the answer to that, because early on Farage thought he had lost (52:48 oddly enough), and his response was something like "Oh that's so close, we must fight on."

But, "What Farage would do?" is not really a great line for the SNP ...
"What would Farage do?"*
“ how'd you work that out? She's obsessed with it!”

It’s easy to talk when you know there’s no chance of one in the immediate future.
She wants to be surer of victory
recent UK elections: 7 May 2015, 8 June 2017, 12 December 2019. Another one must be due any day now. So why exactly should the Scots have to wait decades rather than years? Different sort of democracy imposed north of the border maybe?
“ All in favour of letting the Scots go it alone. They're only ten per cent of the UK population and their central proposition, that they're going to be independent inside the EU, is a joke”

I’m maybe staying the obvious here, but when Scots covet independence it’s independence from England they mean.
Plainly any future independent Scotland WOULD be far more independent within the EU than they are now.
An easy proof of that fact is that it would be a lot easier for them to have a referendum in future to leave it ...
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17:02 well that's got to be the dumbest most irrelevant post in history jno and I though gully was off the pace!

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