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Where Is Jk Rowling’s Open Letter? !
Apparently JK Rowling published an open letter on Wednesday. It’s caused a big stink. It’s about toilets and trans people. Just wanted to read it (the whole thing) out of interest, but alas I can’t find it anywhere on the internet. Any ideas guys? Even looked on her blog & website and can’t find it!
Cheers in advance.
Cheers in advance.
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Tora, I'm grateful to you for admitting it doesn't affect you personally.
'We all now have to accommodate N genders, dockers in drag self identifying so they can use the ladies kazi. kids at school bullied for using the wrong kazi, wearing the wrong gear etc etc. Sports men becoming "women" so they can ruin the female sports because they aren't good enough at the blokes game'
These are all very isolated incidents (if they actually happened at all). To say they affect society as a whole is crazy, misguided and is a further example of the prejudice you're beginning to show on a daily basis.
'We all now have to accommodate N genders, dockers in drag self identifying so they can use the ladies kazi. kids at school bullied for using the wrong kazi, wearing the wrong gear etc etc. Sports men becoming "women" so they can ruin the female sports because they aren't good enough at the blokes game'
These are all very isolated incidents (if they actually happened at all). To say they affect society as a whole is crazy, misguided and is a further example of the prejudice you're beginning to show on a daily basis.
Zacs, look up Rachel McKinnon, Fallon Fox, Hannah Murphy, Karen White... just off the top of my head. To say that others aren't or won't be affected, is clearly not the case. There are hundreds of examples i know of, and no, they are "lost" quite quickly.
Let's be honest... if it was no threat and made no difference to anyone else, the majority wouldn't care (some would still, I'm sure).
But you don't seem to have really researched this much.
By all means, let transgender people move forwards to happy, safe, healthy lives- but currently, they are moving sideways and trampling over female rights and safety instead. We don't need to go back 500 years... let people live, but while it's being at the expense of women, I can't see it will work. And even if ttt isn't personally affected, he may still have female friends, relatives etc. It affects us all.
Let's be honest... if it was no threat and made no difference to anyone else, the majority wouldn't care (some would still, I'm sure).
But you don't seem to have really researched this much.
By all means, let transgender people move forwards to happy, safe, healthy lives- but currently, they are moving sideways and trampling over female rights and safety instead. We don't need to go back 500 years... let people live, but while it's being at the expense of women, I can't see it will work. And even if ttt isn't personally affected, he may still have female friends, relatives etc. It affects us all.
Even if Rowling withdrew an ‘Open Letter’ the comment on it, the ‘big stink’ as you refer to it would remain.
There is no trace of a letter last Wednesday, or the big stink, so the obvious conclusion is that it never existed.
There is plenty of evidence of the letter and the big stick 7 months ago. You or your source is probably confusing the two. You were either reading an old news report, or your source was not a credible one and deliberately putting out disinformation.
There is no trace of a letter last Wednesday, or the big stink, so the obvious conclusion is that it never existed.
There is plenty of evidence of the letter and the big stick 7 months ago. You or your source is probably confusing the two. You were either reading an old news report, or your source was not a credible one and deliberately putting out disinformation.
Pix, I don't really need to research anything when the evidence is there for all to see, or rather isn't there to see. I note the examples you use, but even a few hundred in a country of 65 million is insignificant and can in no way be cited as affecting society.
If they're trampling over female rights and safety (whatever that actually means) you'll have to forgive me because, again, I've neither seen nor heard of any widespread (i.e. societal) effect.
If they're trampling over female rights and safety (whatever that actually means) you'll have to forgive me because, again, I've neither seen nor heard of any widespread (i.e. societal) effect.
I'm sure you haven't, if you haven't really looked. They aren't exactly PC enough to publicise widely. However, if there is only a handful of examples (and believe me, there are far more), why are we even hearing about it?
You presumably know about the guides sharing a tent with a male leader- unable to get consent from parents, because he claimed to be female... and so on...
If it doesn't affect you, why do you have an opinion on men being allowed into female spaces? Why don't you want to listen to genuine concerns without dismissing them? You can kind of see the whole problem...?
You presumably know about the guides sharing a tent with a male leader- unable to get consent from parents, because he claimed to be female... and so on...
If it doesn't affect you, why do you have an opinion on men being allowed into female spaces? Why don't you want to listen to genuine concerns without dismissing them? You can kind of see the whole problem...?
With Girlguiding, a 'male-to-female' guide leader sharing sleeping facilities with young girls is not the sole concern. It is also allowed that a teenage boy can self-declare as a girl and share a dormitory with them. And the organisation is not allowed to inform the girls or their parents to give them a choice. Surely safeguarding should be paramount? Do you not have any young female relatives that might be put at risk in this sort of situation Zacs-Master?
It is overwhelmingly the female half of society that is adversely affected and potentially endangered by this issue. Just because it doesn't affect you personally is not a reason to dismiss our concerns.
It is overwhelmingly the female half of society that is adversely affected and potentially endangered by this issue. Just because it doesn't affect you personally is not a reason to dismiss our concerns.
'I'm sure you haven't, if you haven't really looked.'
That's my EXACT point. If it's Societal then I shouldn't have to really look!
'If it doesn't affect you, why do you have an opinion on men being allowed into female spaces?'
My only opinion is that the incidences are so few I don't see the issue with becoming bothered about it. Were it to become something which was happening in every pub / cafe / swimming baths changing rooms in every town in the country THEN I could understand people's 'outrage' or even concern.
'Why don't you want to listen to genuine concerns without dismissing them?'
Because I think it's a storm in a teacup. I'm not denying there are instances but I don't believe they are anywhere near to affecting the whole of society. Have a read up on psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman and the 'Availability heuristic'.
That's my EXACT point. If it's Societal then I shouldn't have to really look!
'If it doesn't affect you, why do you have an opinion on men being allowed into female spaces?'
My only opinion is that the incidences are so few I don't see the issue with becoming bothered about it. Were it to become something which was happening in every pub / cafe / swimming baths changing rooms in every town in the country THEN I could understand people's 'outrage' or even concern.
'Why don't you want to listen to genuine concerns without dismissing them?'
Because I think it's a storm in a teacup. I'm not denying there are instances but I don't believe they are anywhere near to affecting the whole of society. Have a read up on psychologists Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman and the 'Availability heuristic'.
My very dear and loved Goddaughter is now legally male, so I suppose I have a dear and loved Godson. A very worthy, honest, caring, intelligent person who suffered tremendously in teenage years with bulimia, anorexia - you name it. Now we know why. I've had long, midnight conversations as she worked her way through trying to be heterosexual, through declaring herself bi-sexual and finally to where he is today, which is a senior paramedic living a fulfilling life and gradually sorting out all the physical transitioning stuff.
So far as I am aware he uses male loos etc. where there is a cubicle, or the usual unisex disabled ones. That is one side of this difficult question. (He does not do all the lunatic Gay Pride/trans. screaming parades.)
Pixie is quite right about the threat to women and young girls through too easy acceptance of a boy/man's identification as female.
The Guides are a valid case in point. I wouldn't want an 'entire' male, who might just be pretending, in any safe space for women. So it comes down to is a woman transitioning to be a male is not seen as a threat to males, but the other way round it is a threat. Logic would say this is wrong, but feeling and instinct don't.
So far as I am aware he uses male loos etc. where there is a cubicle, or the usual unisex disabled ones. That is one side of this difficult question. (He does not do all the lunatic Gay Pride/trans. screaming parades.)
Pixie is quite right about the threat to women and young girls through too easy acceptance of a boy/man's identification as female.
The Guides are a valid case in point. I wouldn't want an 'entire' male, who might just be pretending, in any safe space for women. So it comes down to is a woman transitioning to be a male is not seen as a threat to males, but the other way round it is a threat. Logic would say this is wrong, but feeling and instinct don't.
this is what happens when common sense goes out of the window: https:/
It's unclear whether they sent him back to women's prison after conviction but to not do so would no doubt incur the wrath of some of those trolling Ms Rowling.
It's unclear whether they sent him back to women's prison after conviction but to not do so would no doubt incur the wrath of some of those trolling Ms Rowling.
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