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Exploiting The Capitol Riot To Kill Trump

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Khandro | 11:59 Tue 12th Jan 2021 | News
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' Donald Trump has stumbled and fallen, and the establishment is not going to let slip this last opportunity to stomp him and his movement to death.

On Sunday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued a startling ultimatum:

Either Vice President Mike Pence and the Trump Cabinet invoke the 25th Amendment, declare the president “unfit” for office, and remove him within 24 hours, or House Democrats will vote to impeach him again.

As the Senate, which would have to hear the case and hold the trial, does not meet again until Jan. 19, the day before Joe Biden is inaugurated, what is going on here? It sounds absurd, like rushing to hang a man who is going to die the next day.

But such is the blind hatred of Pelosi’s House for Donald Trump.

“House Democrats want veto power over whom Republicans can nominate.”
Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina suggests holding off sending a bill of impeachment to the Senate for 100 days, to give Biden a chance to get his appointees confirmed, and then indict and convict Trump of sedition when he is a private citizen.

What would be the purpose of impeaching a president who hasn’t been president for three months?
Answer: A conviction would strip Republicans of the right to reelect the man who got the largest number of votes in their party’s history.

House Democrats want veto power over whom Republicans can nominate. And this is the crowd that does not cease to bray about its devotion to “democracy.”.............'

Patrick J. Buchanan

[Buchanan was an assistant and special consultant to U.S. Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan.]

Does he have point?

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//...but by the default setting that they are not Trump.\\

True, and by the same token Trump won in 2016 because he was not Clinton.
"What I believe or don't believe is immaterial, what counts are facts & there are grounds for believing that there are certain murky areas in that election, but that is always par for the course in US elections."

I didn't ask whether or not your beliefs were material, I asked what they were... instead you evaded the question.
do you believe the democrats stole the 2020 election khandro?
What you believe clearly is material because it frames the way you see the events of January 6th and their build-up. If Trump were substantially correct about the scale of election fraud and the idea that the election was stolen, then at least the anger is legitimate and grounded even though the outcome was not. As it happens, Trump was also wrong about all of that, including suggesting various unconstitutional remedies to non-existent grievances, and so there is not even a case for legitimate anger even before you get to violent protest and riot.

It matters, in short, whether or not you think he had even slightly a point.
As an aside, all that you say about the scale of Turmp's results is also true, and a more competent and less megalomaniac individual would be able to celebrate even that as a partial triumph. Over November/early December, when Trump was merely wasting time and energy launching frivolous lawsuits, I would have rated his chances of winning the 2024 election should he have run as quite high -- certainly, his chances of capturing the Republican ticket again would have been sky-high. He -- and he alone -- has now blown that chance. Both literally, because there is at least a chance that he will be barred from ever seeking Office in future, and "in effect", because he'll be seen as too toxic for even the current Republican Party.
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I don't think, or want, him to run for office, he will be 75 next June.

Biden is 78 & looks it, I don't think he will last the course. Welcome back the swamp.
Do you believe the democrats stole the 2020 election?
oh please khandro the swamp has only got more swampy since Trump waded in!
There are Democrats, Republicans and anarchists.

Those who want to impeach are effectively saying that Trump is with the anarchists - that he incited the riot that led to the invasion of the Capitol building, threats against Senators and the VP. The impeachment would test that and find it was either true or it wasn't true.

Somebody who didn't want to impeach would either be siding with anarchists rather than Republicans, or at best dismissing Trump's role in the insurrection out of hand rather than letting justice take its course.

What America ought to be asking itself is "What course of action best defends our democracy?" I don't think ignoring Trump's alleged role in death threats and riots would be the best course.

If I was a Republican thinking about 2024, I would want to distance myself and my party as much as possible from the events of last week, from the anarchists, from Trump, and with democracy, law-abiding Americans and what's right. Trump may have got voters out in great numbers, but he did that for both Republicans and Democrats. He lost. In many ways, impeaching him would do the Republican party the favour of stopping him running for them or against them in four years.
“there are grounds for believing that there are certain murky areas in that election”

There are none.
Trump has been promoting the idea of electoral fraud for years, in the process sowing disaffection in the minds of many and delighting America’s enemies, many of whom appear to be Trump’s heroes
A final flaw in the premise of this question, if one more were needed, is that the Democrats can do nothing meaningful without Republican support. It is far from clear that they will get enough of it. Several Republican representatives have said they will vote to impeach, though, and it's not impossible that McConnell is broadly supportive of the move in a way that he wasn't last time.

The President is also accountable for his actions, and to more than just the people. That's the bottom line here. Trump gifted the Democrats this opportunity by inciting a riot and by trying to undermine the election in his favour.
As I have said before, the key to this is the Senate. Without 17 Republican senators voting with the Democrats the whole thing is a non-starter. Republican senators will have to look at their states. If Trump support there is significant they aren't going to risk their chances of re-election.
Who knows? Maybe the voters will reward them for having a backbone.

I realised that was ridiculous even as I said it...
Not worth wasting taxpayers' money on him. Once his shield of Presidential power is taken away, there will be an army of lawyers looking at his admittedly crooked dealings to sue his estate. The Authorities will get his tax returns and there should be a field day.

His friends will desert him, as should Melania. The Banks are backing off. If he's bankrupt and without protection, there's no need to worry about a second run for President.

I think even the Apprentice TV program should say "Donald, you're fired"
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'That mob that split off from the Donald Trump rally of Jan. 6 to invade the Capitol has proven a godsend to the left.

The death of a Capitol cop has enabled the left — which spent the summer after George Floyd’s death trashing “racist cops” and shouting, “Defund the Police!” — to posture as fighting allies of the men in blue.

Liberals who implored us to understand the grievances of the rioters, looters and arsonists last summer have become sudden converts to the church of law and order.

Elites who had condoned the smashing of statues and monuments to Columbus, Washington, Jefferson and Jackson as a needed cleansing of our hateful history have declared themselves sickened that Trumpists would desecrate the temple of democracy.

Had it been antifa or BLM that carried out the invasion, not one statue would have been left standing in Statuary Hall, and we would have been instructed that it was slaves who had, after all, built the Capitol building.

“Calling Trump names will no longer cut it.”
The media is airing endless footage of the mob marauding inside the Capitol. Purpose: to plant indelibly in the public mind the fiction that this was the deliberate work of Donald Trump and his people, and our elites are the real adversaries of violent protest.' ..........

J.Buchanan
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'Calling Trump names will no longer cut it.

Now, Democrats must decide whether to proceed with the impeachment trial of Trump for inciting a riot that began on the Capitol steps as he was speaking a mile away, a riot planned long before the rally on the Mall.

Now, Democrats can choose whether they will forego extracting their pound of flesh as the first order of business in the Senate and let Nancy Pelosi sit a while on her impeachment resolution.

Now, Democrats have it all. If they wish, they can abolish the filibuster, pack the Supreme Court, make D.C. and Puerto Rico states, forgive all student debt, and vote for slavery reparations.

One reads that a caravan of thousands is forming up in Honduras to pass through Guatemala in the hope of reaching and crossing the U.S. border when Biden becomes president.

That, too, is Joe’s party’s problem now.'

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