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Canary42 | 18:03 Tue 01st Dec 2020 | News
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30 years ago we were still an adventurous and outward looking nation who did stuff like build the Channel Tunnel.

Now we've degenerated into a frightened, myopic, and inwards looking nation, intent on hiding away behind trade barriers we've erected against our European neighbours (no matter the harm to our own economy we're inflicting in the process).

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//Crossrail is testament that we are still great at incredible engineering feats. It is remarkable.//

It's remarkable because it's promoters have managed to fool people into believing it is an extensive new railway. The bits that are "completed" are from Liverpool Street and Shenfield, Essex as well as between Paddington and Reading, Berkshire. There is also a line from Paddington to Heathrow operating. The first of those mentioned was first opened in 1843. The Paddington to Reading route was part of Isambard Kingdom Brunel's Great Western Railway (opened in 1840) and the Heathrow route was opened more than twenty years ago. The only "new" bit is the bit under Central London and out to Abbey Wood. It is a fine piece of engineering but it is four years late, is beset with technical problems and is massively over budget. That's the story behind most major infrastructure projects in the UK.
fairly remarkable, Sunk, I've been waiting on the platform at Bond St for quite a while now. Still, not as long as I'd have been waiting at Berlin's new airport.

But this was the thing that struck me decades ago. I was never a great fan of the British Empire, but at least the British went out and built it. Now so many seem to sit at home whimpering at the sight of foreigners. There does seem to have been a great national loss of nerve at some point.
no one is "wimpering" but the anti British like you jno. You crave Jonny foreigner to tell you what to do. Looks like canary has abandoned his latest anti British thread.
Anti-British???

What a strange and offensive thing to say.

It is not anti-British to oppose or disagree with an act of national self-harm. One could argue it is more anti-British to support it. Being patriotic should never come second to telling the truth.
And Canary is right in my opinion. Even as recently as 2012 Britain looked like an exciting and welcoming place with a bright future. I hope that feeling comes back soon but it's very obvious that we've done away with it for now because a narrow majority of us dislike immigration.
"because a narrow majority of us dislike immigration."

You have no evidence for that statement whatsoever.

Brexit is NOT about immigration - for the umpteenth time for Brexit voters only for remainers who claim to know the minds of others better than they do.
What trade barriers?
'who did stuff like build the Channel Tunnel.'

One word........Cross rail. Argument nullified.
OK, two words ;-)
Do you really think Brexit would have won without the immigration issue? I don't.
'The only "new" bit is the bit under Central London and out to Abbey Wood.'
Easy peasy. Give me a shovel, I can do that.
https://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/39149/bsa34_brexit_final.pdf

"73% of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36% of those who did not identify this as a concern. 72% of those holding ‘authoritarian’ views voted to leave, compared with 21% of those holding ‘libertarian’ views."
The Channel tunnel project didn't go without hitches:

The locomotives that were used to pull the tunnel lining segments and spoil trains broke down frequently under wet conditions.

We anticipated that the soil stratum was mostly dry. They thus configured the Tunnel Building Machines in 'open' mode. However, they tunneled into unexpected micro-fissured chalk which was very permeable and very quickly incapacitated the TBM. Dry chalk started to give way to moist chalk and chunks of rocks started to fall from the crown and sides of the newly excavated bore. One of the TBMs had to be left underground as they couldn't back it out.

The estimated budget overran by 80% (total project cost reaching £9.2 billion) and the official opening of the Channel Tunnel was May 1994, one year later then the contractual completion date.

Thats pure guesswork. People do not express their views these days when asked in polls with topics that the liberal elite dislike, this has been shown in just about every poll.

So you, and I, do not have any evidence whatsoever on the topic one way or another.
Youngmafbog 13:22
"Brexit is NOT about immigration - for the umpteenth time for Brexit voters only for remainers who claim to know the minds of others better than they do"
Now you are claiming to know the minds of others. Lol.
Do you honestly believe that with a victory that narrow the Leave side would have won without anti-immigration voters? You're living in la la land.
untitled; "It is not anti-British to oppose or disagree with an act of national self-harm" - indeed if it is actually self harm. 52% of this country didn't think it was. Wanting our nation to be subjugated to unelected foreign bureaucrats and collaborating with our enemies to achieve it? Now that's anti British.
13,22 Brexit was ALL about immigration as far as Joe Bloggs was concerned Didn't really know what he was
voting for . But he will soon find out next year. The Ordinary "man in the street" was blinded by the lies of Boris and Farage
It is not anti-British to care about preserving the Union of Great Britain and to care about protecting this country's vital trade relationships with its neighbours. Those things might not be important to you, but they are to me and it is not anti-British to say so even if a narrow majority disagree.
"indeed if it is actually self harm."

It's perfectly obvious that it is. Even the government's most optimistic projections had us suffering significant economic damage though admittedly that was pre-covid so we were in for a big economic hit anyway.

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