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Gabriel Scally - Project Fear?
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Professor Scally said on ITV this morning "There is no point having a very merry Christmas and then burying friends and relations in January and February"
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Project Fear? or a warning that needs heeding by all?
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//The more than have caught it and are now immune, the better//
But your forgetting that around 90% havnt had it yet, only 10% have and over 50000 have died, should we wait until say 100000 have died and then say oh good now 20% have had it so that's only 80 % left.
A dont mind pubs/clubs staying shut, cinemas etc and large gathrings (over 6) being outlawed but am desparate to see some close famly and freinds for first time in nearly a year, its heartbraking
But your forgetting that around 90% havnt had it yet, only 10% have and over 50000 have died, should we wait until say 100000 have died and then say oh good now 20% have had it so that's only 80 % left.
A dont mind pubs/clubs staying shut, cinemas etc and large gathrings (over 6) being outlawed but am desparate to see some close famly and freinds for first time in nearly a year, its heartbraking
// but your forgetting that around 90% havnt had it yet, only 10% have //
what's your source for that? since May there have been several guesstimates as to the level of infections in the UK, ranging from 12% to 29%. they can only be guesses because nobody knows how many infections have gone unreported or unconfirmed, particularly among the symptomless. and there must have been symptomless cases because the fear of spread relies on their existence.
what's your source for that? since May there have been several guesstimates as to the level of infections in the UK, ranging from 12% to 29%. they can only be guesses because nobody knows how many infections have gone unreported or unconfirmed, particularly among the symptomless. and there must have been symptomless cases because the fear of spread relies on their existence.
There are signs that the lockdown is having an effect, given that average daily death announcements appear to have stopped increasing in the last few days. Hopefully that provides some comfort, as maybe there's a chance that the relaxation of rules around Christmas is plausible, but it would be better to trust the lockdown and other measures are working for just a while longer.
//There have been cases where people have caught it twice.//
As mentioned by mushroom, the number of cases where this has allegedly happened can be counted on your fingers. I thought it was three, but anyway, that’s three or six, in over 56 million. Of course there’s no knowing whether the ailment they had was properly confirmed as Covid either the first or second time they allegedly contracted it. Experts say re-infection is likely to be extremely rare. Nobody has been deliberately reinfected with the virus to test immunity, but a pair of rhesus macaque monkeys have. They were infected twice, once to build up an immune response and then a second time three weeks later. Those experiments showed they did not develop symptoms again after such a quick reinfection.
//A dont mind pubs/clubs staying shut, cinemas etc and large gathrings (over 6) being outlawed//
So you keep telling us. But lots of people do.
//...but it is your choice.//
//It is their choice.//
//…but we each have to make our own choices.//
But it’s not and we can’t. At present and for the next two weeks, I cannot go where I like – I have to have a “reasonable excuse” to leave my house. I cannot meet who I like, I cannot invite who I like to my house, I cannot go to theirs. Many of the shops I normally use are closed and the hospitality outlets I enjoy are closed. My normal activities have been severely curtailed; they were before the English “lockdown” began and they will be after it is finished. I have no choice in any of those matters.
It beggars belief that the government is telling us we “might” graciously be allowed to mix with whomsoever we choose at Christmas but it will have to be “paid for” by stricter lockdowns in January. It is even more incredible that people are meekly discussing it as a reasonable proposition. It's not a reasonable proposition - it's a bloody outrage.
As mentioned by mushroom, the number of cases where this has allegedly happened can be counted on your fingers. I thought it was three, but anyway, that’s three or six, in over 56 million. Of course there’s no knowing whether the ailment they had was properly confirmed as Covid either the first or second time they allegedly contracted it. Experts say re-infection is likely to be extremely rare. Nobody has been deliberately reinfected with the virus to test immunity, but a pair of rhesus macaque monkeys have. They were infected twice, once to build up an immune response and then a second time three weeks later. Those experiments showed they did not develop symptoms again after such a quick reinfection.
//A dont mind pubs/clubs staying shut, cinemas etc and large gathrings (over 6) being outlawed//
So you keep telling us. But lots of people do.
//...but it is your choice.//
//It is their choice.//
//…but we each have to make our own choices.//
But it’s not and we can’t. At present and for the next two weeks, I cannot go where I like – I have to have a “reasonable excuse” to leave my house. I cannot meet who I like, I cannot invite who I like to my house, I cannot go to theirs. Many of the shops I normally use are closed and the hospitality outlets I enjoy are closed. My normal activities have been severely curtailed; they were before the English “lockdown” began and they will be after it is finished. I have no choice in any of those matters.
It beggars belief that the government is telling us we “might” graciously be allowed to mix with whomsoever we choose at Christmas but it will have to be “paid for” by stricter lockdowns in January. It is even more incredible that people are meekly discussing it as a reasonable proposition. It's not a reasonable proposition - it's a bloody outrage.
"But your forgetting that around 90% havnt had it yet, only 10% have and over 50000 have died, should we wait until say 100000 have died and then say oh good now 20% have had it so that's only 80 % left."
What you're forgetting is that those figures were inflated by having folk who died of other causes but happen to be positive for cov were included, plus many were older who were likely to die of something at that age anyway, all the more so when some were returned positive from hospital back to the care home to infect other vulnerable folk. Plus the experience in the spring will have ensured the medical profession now have a better understanding of treatment, and authorities a better understanding of the necessary processes, plus with many of the vulnerable already gone, and the remaining ones left knowing to have more caution; the peak in the past simply can not be compared with the situation going forward. In addition the protection follows a curve, it's just an official decision what percentage counts as herd immunity, and it's disputed, but in any case the more who become immune the slower the spread anyway so the situation improves as time goes by. There's probably more but that above is 'off the top of my head'.
What you're forgetting is that those figures were inflated by having folk who died of other causes but happen to be positive for cov were included, plus many were older who were likely to die of something at that age anyway, all the more so when some were returned positive from hospital back to the care home to infect other vulnerable folk. Plus the experience in the spring will have ensured the medical profession now have a better understanding of treatment, and authorities a better understanding of the necessary processes, plus with many of the vulnerable already gone, and the remaining ones left knowing to have more caution; the peak in the past simply can not be compared with the situation going forward. In addition the protection follows a curve, it's just an official decision what percentage counts as herd immunity, and it's disputed, but in any case the more who become immune the slower the spread anyway so the situation improves as time goes by. There's probably more but that above is 'off the top of my head'.
“But it’s not and we can’t. At present and for the next two weeks, I cannot go where I like – I have to have a “reasonable excuse” to leave my house. I cannot meet who I like, I cannot invite who I like to my house, I cannot go to theirs. Many of the shops I normally use are closed and the hospitality outlets I enjoy are closed. My normal activities have been severely curtailed; they were before the English “lockdown” began and they will be after it is finished. I have no choice in any of those matters.“
Me, me, I, I, me, I, me, I, me, me, me, I.
How telling. Has the global emergency escaped your attention?
Me, me, I, I, me, I, me, I, me, me, me, I.
How telling. Has the global emergency escaped your attention?
//How telling. Has the global emergency escaped your attention?//
No. But more importantly nor has the way it is being dealt with in the UK.
I was relating my experiences of it (which are the only ones I can relate with any accuracy). I was also commenting on the idea that "it's our choice" in what we do. I was explaining that it's not my choice because I have no choice. Nor has anybody else. So it's not solely about me.
No. But more importantly nor has the way it is being dealt with in the UK.
I was relating my experiences of it (which are the only ones I can relate with any accuracy). I was also commenting on the idea that "it's our choice" in what we do. I was explaining that it's not my choice because I have no choice. Nor has anybody else. So it's not solely about me.
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