Sunak’s £30 Billion Furlough Giveaway Abused By Uk Businesses

[Gromit]

6 million people continued to work while on the Government’s furlough scheme. That is a massive amount of fraud, and the Government apparently splashed out tax payers money with very little (or any no) checks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654405/SIX-MILLION-furloughed-workers-broke-rules-doing-jobs-home-lockdown-major-report-finds.html

Reckless Rishi strikes again!

[Gromit]

Ymb,
Two thirds of those on the £30billion scheme should not have been paid a penny, but were.
Such a weak system should not have been used in the first place, and is a sign of the Chancellors incompetence.
A lot of taxpayers money wasted. When companies are caught there should be hefty fines (but there won’t be).

[dannyk13]

Gromit//Such a weak system should not have been used in the first place, //
So what would you have the government do, leave people to starve?

[ummmm]

YMB - I don't know them. I don't even know their names.

[ynnafymmi]

Mmmm.Nearly as bad as £100,000 benefits swindlers.....

[youngmafbog]

"Such a weak system should not have been used in the first place, and is a sign of the Chancellors incompetence."

So what system would you have put in place that could have been setup immediately and not cut anyone out? As I am sure you are aware once you stsrt putting checks in place delays occurr, just look at the UC problems.

I agree it needs looking at, I said that in my first post, but I am wary of a report that takes 9,000 and then extrapolates out like that. More detail on the questions asked in the survey is needed and certainly HMRC should dig in - which they are.

The wheels at HMRC do turn slowly but they do get there. I am sure that even if there are no fines being bought to the attention of HMRC will bring annual pain for them for every return they make. Without a doubt they will be flagged up. That in itself is probably better than any fine.

I see, despite repeated asking, you dont have any other scheme to suggest.

[pixie374]

Gromit, furloughed people were legally allowed to work somewhere else. Where is that coming in to your numbers?

[THECORBYLOON]

"Mmmm.Nearly as bad as £100,000 benefits swindlers....."

How much are employers defrauding?

[lankeela]

Surely your beef should be with the dishonest who are fraudulently claiming not the Chancellor who has done his best to keep the majority fed.

[youngmafbog]

Yes, that is exactly where his beef should be.

But Gromit wont dob in the ones he knows.

[Buenchico]

The Daily Wail has never been very good at maths!

The survey they refer to sampled data between 9 April and 11 April and then again on 20 May and 21 May. By the latter date approximately 8.2m people were furloughed. (Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/hmrc-coronavirus-covid-19-statistics ).

The report states "19% of employees in our sample report being explicitly asked to work by their employer despite being currently furloughed". (Source: https://www.inet.econ.cam.ac.uk/working-paper-pdfs/wp2036.pdf )

19% of 8.2m = 1.6m. So where the hell does the Wail get their figure of six million from?

[ynnafymmi]

@15.13.I dont know.Why,do you know any employers that are claiming benefits money for their relations abroad,Loon?

[THECORBYLOON]

The OP is about employers defrauding by taking advantage of the scheme whilst their employees are working still.

You introduced the benefits fraud, I was referring to the OP.

[allenlondon]

But you see, ynnafymmi, or rather you don't see (or won't see), that Corbyloon and the likes of me are putting forward this argument:

There are many thieves in this country. All of them deserve to be caught, and punished.

Yet you and your ilk single out some dumb Pakistani woman who has quite wrongly done the taxpayer out of a lot of money.

Why do you single her out?

Why do you ignore all the other *** with their hands firmly in the till, their snouts deep in the trough?

When we hear your deafening silence about all the others, it makes us very suspicious of your motives, ynnafymmi, very suspicious.

[ummmm]

I still don't understand how furlough works.

It's the employer who gains? Not the employee?

[dannyk13]

ummmm//I still don't understand how furlough works.//
The government pay 80% of employees wages.

[ynnafymmi]

I agree Allen from(cough,cough)London,i think that all defrauders should recieve heavy prison sentences.Do you agree also.From the elite chancers to the lowest of the low.

[bednobs]

Change the record fanny. How long are u going to crowbar that story into other threads which have nothing to do with it?

[ynnafymmi]

@16.43.Its a story about fraudsters isnt it,BK.Arent all fraudsters cut from the same cloth?

[gulliver1]

Oh Dear , Oh dear Gromit . You have really upset the Dyed in the wool Tories
On A/B , get your tin hat out. "They don't like it up em"

[ynnafymmi]

Far from it,Gulliver.I think anyone who defrauds the public or anyone or anything should be jailed.A long,long time.Dont you agree?