In The Vein Of Josef Mengele?

[Zacs-Master]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53875370

[andy-hughes]

Mamya - // Andy, thank you for your hyper analysis - I have been reading about this for some time and 'experiment' has often been used in articles about it. //

Thank you for the update - obviously I can only respond to information I know at the time - I am happy to stand corrected.

[andy-hughes]

Jackdaw - // Just like the Matilda mugs thread, this one has been seriously derailed and hijacked by the usual suspect who is far more interested in pedantic nit-picking about presentation than the actual substance. Lord preserve us from such pompous self-righteousness. //

Any danger of a valid contribution to the debate, or is this your usual moan and off-thread dig which simply bores everyone who sees it?

[Zacs-Master]

I posted it as a question as I wondered whether there was anything in the German psyche which promulgated the thinking which led Mengele to do his experiments and this latest rather bizarre ‘experiment’ which, on the face of it, seems to be rather a wildcard in the race to beat coronavirus.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // I posted it as a question as I wondered whether there was anything in the German psyche which promulgated the thinking which led Mengele to do his experiments and this latest rather bizarre ‘experiment’ which, on the face of it, seems to be rather a wildcard in the race to beat coronavirus. //

Fair enough - but apart from the usually grindingly boring off-thread personal moans from Dumb and Dumber, it doesn't appear to have any takers.

Never mind - always worth a go ...

[Togo]

Word.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // I posted it as a question as I wondered whether there was anything in the German psyche which promulgated the thinking which led Mengele to do his experiments and this latest rather bizarre ‘experiment’ which, on the face of it, seems to be rather a wildcard in the race to beat coronavirus. //

As I have pointed out, I believe that notion is a serious stretch, well beyond what I consider to be the bounds of possibility.

I think it is in the nature of scientists to experiment, in this case, for the good of mankind, and that motivation is present in the vast majority of scientific minds - German or otherwise.

I think the experiments conducted by Mengele were the product of a seriously diseased psychopathic sociopath whom circumstances unfortunately lent not only carte blanche to indulge is horribly perverted imagination beyond its dreadful limits - but an unlimited amount of facilities and victims with which to do so.

I don't think anyone can seriously suggest that there is anything approaching a link between that sort of mind, and the minds of scientists anywhere on the planet - and given their history, German scientists especially.

[woofgang]

No more than there is in the English thinking which led to asking for vaccine volunteers of all ages. Actually as one of the issues that hasn't been solved is safe group behaviour, I think that the experiment sounds both useful and interesting.

[Mamyalynne]

It does doesn't it - I'm sure other Countries are working on similar projects.

[andy-hughes]

woofgang - // I think that the experiment sounds both useful and interesting. //

I entirely agree.

I live in hope that it successfully proves that keeping all entertainment venues closed is not a valid method in preventing the spread of the virus, and maybe that aspect of our culture can be returned to us.

[Togo]

Word.

[Zacs-Master]

Thanks for the input. I still find it perverse to go against all the current advice and risk a local spike or even deaths on what appears to be a bit of a Laissez-faire trial (I deliberately didn’t write experiment).

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // Thanks for the input. I still find it perverse to go against all the current advice and risk a local spike or even deaths on what appears to be a bit of a Laissez-faire trial (I deliberately didn’t write experiment). //

I can quite see your point - but I really do wonder if all governments' slavish following of 'the science' is always a good idea.

It was 'the science' that told us that Bird Flu, Sarrs and BSE were all the end of civilisation as we know it, and none of their doom projections were borne out by history.

My own view is that we have to assimilate Covid as we have flu - it will always be here, and a very small proportion of the population will die as a result of infection, but to bring the world economies to the brink of collapse in the way they have is sheer folly, and we have to stop treating this disease as though it is the Black Death and start to deal with it properly.

[woofgang]

I think that the risks seem to have been assessed as carefully as possible and I would hope (expect) that that assessment has been shared with the volunteers. I would never say what people should or shouldn't do but I am most grateful to anyone who volunteers themselves to help with work to help to end the current situation.

[albaqwerty]

I'd like to think that all volunteers are given all the inofrmation that the scientists have discovered in their testing of whatever they've used in previous tests.
Also, aren't the volunteers asked to do certain things?
For example, a number of them carry on as normal, others isolate and others do something different? Then after however long, they're brought back and results calculated?

I think they're brave.

[naomi24]

The OP presents a truly bizarre analogy generating some equally bizarre responses. Had Mengele been into psychology he’d have had a field day with this thread.

[sanmac]

For that post, naomi, which, upon analysis, manifested no obvious or latent indications of an approach-avoidance conflict, your reward is a cigar and a bell:)

[birdie1971]

Zacs-Master - “In The Vein Of Josef Mengele?”

With all due respect, the analogy is tenuous to say the least.

Mengele amputated the limbs of one person and attempted to graft them on to the body of another for 'fun'. He injected hundreds (if not thousands) of people with Strychnine out of idle curiosity...

[tomus42]

//With all due respect, the analogy is tenuous to say the least.//

The analogy is stupid to say the least.

[naomi24]

Thank you, sanmac ... I think. :o)

[Zacs-Master]

My OP was deliberately provocative. I thank you all for your responses. There can be no ‘analogy’ in a question, tho. In a statement, yes, but not an open ended question.